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Somewhat surprised Yelich wasn't nominated lol

Somewhat surprised Yelich wasn't nominated lol

It's a great start to what could be a special class.

In September, Adames slashed: .274/.339/.496. That's in line with his 2021 season, as opposed to the rest of this past season where he mostly hit in the low 200s with a sub .300 OBP. That's what I'm talking about when I question which player we're going to get moving forward. It would be to our detriment as a franchise if it's the low 200 BA/sub .300 OBP player whose defense will eventually decline as he ages throughout an extension. But if it's the 2021/September 2022 player, then you're looking at a 5-7 WAR guy in the first few years who will still hit enough to offset the inevitable defensive decline in the later years. That's definitely someone worth extending. Now, you may be right in that his lower batting line this year was the result of an abnormally low BABIP. But I would rather wait into next season to find out for sure, as opposed to rushing into an extension this offseason only to learn that 2021 was the high point as far as his bat is concerned. And if during this offseason, a team like the Dodgers were to inquire as to his availability, I would seriously consider it depending on the package. As for Chourio, you're right in that any extension would come very early in his big league career a la. Acuna, Franco, Rodriguez, etc. But you do realize that such an extension would also cover his pre-arbitration and arbitration years, which will definitely coincide with Yelich and Woodruff/Burnes? We'd actually be paying more (relatively) on the front end, while hopefully getting a bargain on the back-end. Why it's wise for a cash-strapped team like the Brewers to be cautious in doling out extensions, as it can seriously limit your financial flexibility down the road.

In September, Adames slashed: .274/.339/.496. That's in line with his 2021 season, as opposed to the rest of this past season where he mostly hit in the low 200s with a sub .300 OBP. That's what I'm talking about when I question which player we're going to get moving forward. It would be to our detriment as a franchise if it's the low 200 BA/sub .300 OBP player whose defense will eventually decline as he ages throughout an extension. But if it's the 2021/September 2022 player, then you're looking at a 5-7 WAR guy in the first few years who will still hit enough to offset the inevitable defensive decline in the later years. That's definitely someone worth extending. Now, you may be right in that his lower batting line this year was the result of an abnormally low BABIP. But I would rather wait into next season to find out for sure, as opposed to rushing into an extension this offseason only to learn that 2021 was the high point as far as his bat is concerned. And if during this offseason, a team like the Dodgers were to inquire as to his availability, I would seriously consider it depending on the package. As for Chourio, you're right in that any extension would come very early in his big league career a la. Acuna, Franco, Rodriguez, etc. But you do realize that such an extension would also cover his pre-arbitration and arbitration years, which will definitely coincide with Yelich and Woodruff/Burnes? We'd actually be paying more (relatively) on the front end, while hopefully getting a bargain on the back-end. Why it's wise for a cash-strapped team like the Brewers to be cautious in doling out extensions, as it can seriously limit your financial flexibility down the road.

JD Martinez scares the heck out of me with the numbers he posted after May, particularly the decline in his power and exit velocity. I think he's clearly on the downswing, and that if we're going to move Yelich to 1B, we're better served going with Rowdy at DH. I think Rowdy's going to put up similar power numbers to this year, but with an improved BA, OBP, and OPS in light of the shift ban.

Yeah. Obviously, Burnes is a tough sign, with Woodruff being far more realistic. You have no argument from me there. I just think we should be cautious about extending Adames in light of the Yelich deal. Like, is he more the player that we saw in 2021 and September of this year, or the player that we saw for most of 2022? If the former, then yes, sign him to an extension. If the latter, though, an extension is probably not in our best interest. I know that if the Dodgers called us up this offseason and offered Vargas and one of their pitching prospects for him (e.g., Pepiot), I would seriously consider the deal with a viable replacement ready in Turang. I want the flexibility to lock up an ace starter (probably Woodruff) and, eventually, Chourio. Those are the types of talents are the essential ingredients to building a World Series-contending club. God knows Yelich already significantly hampers us.

Yeah. Obviously, Burnes is a tough sign, with Woodruff being far more realistic. You have no argument from me there. I just think we should be cautious about extending Adames in light of the Yelich deal. Like, is he more the player that we saw in 2021 and September of this year, or the player that we saw for most of 2022? If the former, then yes, sign him to an extension. If the latter, though, an extension is probably not in our best interest. I know that if the Dodgers called us up this offseason and offered Vargas and one of their pitching prospects for him (e.g., Pepiot), I would seriously consider the deal with a viable replacement ready in Turang. I want the flexibility to lock up an ace starter (probably Woodruff) and, eventually, Chourio. Those are the types of talents are the essential ingredients to building a World Series-contending club. God knows Yelich already significantly hampers us.

Yeah, these are much more realistic figures imo. Though, I'm not sure if I would give that extension to Adames, considering 1) we have Turang (and Brown) 2) we'll be paying Yelich throughout most such a deal, and 3) Adames doesn't quite fit the profile of a player who is likely to age gracefully. Top tier starting pitchers have a much longer shelf-life these days (e.g., Verlander, Scherzer, DeGrom, etc.), which is why I think we need to focus our extension efforts on Burnes and Woodruff, specifically. Adames might prove most useful to the organization as a trade asset to replenish the team with younger talent. Also, it's important to note that, if Chourio continues on his superstar prospect trajectory, we'll want to retain the financial flexibility to sign him to a long-term deal a la. Acuna, Franco, Rodriguez, Harris, etc.

Yeah, these are much more realistic figures imo. Though, I'm not sure if I would give that extension to Adames, considering 1) we have Turang (and Brown) 2) we'll be paying Yelich throughout most such a deal, and 3) Adames doesn't quite fit the profile of a player who is likely to age gracefully. Top tier starting pitchers have a much longer shelf-life these days (e.g., Verlander, Scherzer, DeGrom, etc.), which is why I think we need to focus our extension efforts on Burnes and Woodruff, specifically. Adames might prove most useful to the organization as a trade asset to replenish the team with younger talent. Also, it's important to note that, if Chourio continues on his superstar prospect trajectory, we'll want to retain the financial flexibility to sign him to a long-term deal a la. Acuna, Franco, Rodriguez, Harris, etc.

I disagree. The Brewers need to be pushing the envelope for an extension from at least one of their aces. As we have seen this postseason, you need those types of pitchers to effectively compete for a World Series. Yet, they are in rare supply and are particularly hard to develop. If the Brewers hope to capitalize on this next wave of position player talent headlined by Chourio, they will need to retain one of those guys to anchor the rotation (probably Woodruff).

I disagree. The Brewers need to be pushing the envelope for an extension from at least one of their aces. As we have seen this postseason, you need those types of pitchers to effectively compete for a World Series. Yet, they are in rare supply and are particularly hard to develop. If the Brewers hope to capitalize on this next wave of position player talent headlined by Chourio, they will need to retain one of those guys to anchor the rotation (probably Woodruff).

Stone has likely surpassed Pepiot on prospect lists after their respective seasons. He's younger, has three plus to plus-plus pitches (as opposed to two for Pepiot), and has exhibited better control. Hence, the difference in Trade Value. Vargas, Miller, and Stone for Burnes becomes an even trade value-wise. You get your future middle of the order hitter in Vargas and two potential frontline starters in Miller and Stone.

Burnes trade is not quite there value-wise. Would need one more prospect from the Dodgers, though you could also make up the difference by switching Stone for Pepiot. Quintana's salary is way too low. Try more like $10 mil AAV. Yandy Diaz for Taylor isn't a bad idea, though. I actually really like it, as it would allow for Urias to move to 2nd and for Turang to get his feet wet in a non-starting role. Diaz is the sort of high-average/high-OBP hitter we need more of.

Nice season opening win against the Sixers. Kind of let it get away from them in the 4th quarter after they had a chance to really blow the game open with Embiid on the bench, but credit to Harden who started making shots. Says a lot about how good this team is that we can win in this environment against a Sixers team with their full supporting cast absent Middleton and Connaughton. Also, funny to see Embiid get booed in the second game of the season by Philly fans. lol

Okay. Yelich being a finalist is a complete joke. Burnes actually makes sense as he's very athletic and one of the best pitchers in the game at covering 1B imo. Still expect him to lose to Fried, the reigning back-to-back winner.

Okay. Yelich being a finalist is a complete joke. Burnes actually makes sense as he's very athletic and one of the best pitchers in the game at covering 1B imo. Still expect him to lose to Fried, the reigning back-to-back winner.

I agree with staying away from Contreras, not that we have a realistic chance at signing him anyways, but I completely disagree with giving Feliciano the starting catcher spot. He was atrocious on the defensive end in Nashville this season. Catcher is the position where you can least afford to sacrifice defense, and it's not like his offensive production has been great either.

I agree with staying away from Contreras, not that we have a realistic chance at signing him anyways, but I completely disagree with giving Feliciano the starting catcher spot. He was atrocious on the defensive end in Nashville this season. Catcher is the position where you can least afford to sacrifice defense, and it's not like his offensive production has been great either.

Well, I think I found the leading candidate for the worst proposed trade of the offseason (and it literally just started): Burnes to NYY for RHP Domingo German, SS Oswald Peraza, SS Trey Sweeney, RHP Will Warren Yankees fans really think they can get anything for their pile of scraps.... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10052560-predicting-1-trade-for-every-mlb-team-during-the-2022-23-offseason

it's not just Burnes. It's Burnes AND Adames. Which in value is basically equal to the Soto haul.

Yeah. Unless either suffers catastrophic injury, we have no reason not to expect more of the same going forward.

Yeah. Unless either suffers catastrophic injury, we have no reason not to expect more of the same going forward.

Of course, the future will always be uncertain. But looking at the last three years, particularly with respect to xFIP and SIERA is as good as it gets in being able to predict it for pitchers.

Of course, the future will always be uncertain. But looking at the last three years, particularly with respect to xFIP and SIERA is as good as it gets in being able to predict it for pitchers.