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The fact that he was advising Griffin earlier at the Bucks behest makes it that much more likely. I'd have brought in Van Gundy... I've seen others share this opinion, but would he play Jackson Jr? Beauchamp? We'll need those players in the post-season and I don't think he's real interested in playing any young guys. For all the talk of how poorly constructed this team is(despite being one of the best in the league and still disappointing)...they've got all the offense they could need, they have two DPOY candidates (Lopez runner-up last year, Giannis). They have elite scorers at 3 spots. They have the league best 3 pt shooter(this year) at one other. Lopez is a guy who would likely score 20+ still on a bad team and can give you 20 on any given night. Portis is a high energy player. Jackson is one of the smartest rookies I've seen, Beauchamp is capable of playing defense at an elite level and Crowder has been doing just that for a while. So I guess I'd like to see them stagger minutes maybe with Jackson and Lillard and then when Giannis comes off, Crowder should be in. You can win with Dame/Jackson/Middleton/Crowder/Giannis defensively. Or at least be really good in spurts. For as bad as Dame is, he puts pressure on the defense and he's got pretty good hands.

I guess...he's one of those guys who's value exceeds his actual performance(that's pretty rare). And even then, his performance was incredible. I'd love to see a Bucky Irvin to go with Emanuel Wilson...a guy I really believe will be a really nice back. Then limit Jones carries until later in the year. Having him around the team is huge. Sure, we could do the same thing we've done the last few years and get 60M under, but i'm with you. It's not a good idea at the start of Love's run. If you start now, you'll likely be just going in circles for years. I REALLY wish the Packers were more proactive though. I've gone on long rants about this, but...hypothetically, lets say Tom has another elite year. Give him that 8-year deal that Dallas gave Tyron Smith. 8 years 140M. It'll set the market now, but it'll save you money in the long run. To me, it's like signing pre-arbitration players. If you miss on a couple, it'll hurt, but if you're doing it with elite players(Gary would have been another) I think you'll come out ahead. Compare what Bakh and Tyron Smith got. A 7 years 350 extension(so ~8/365 for Love) with 120 GTD against injury and performance, 170 vs injury, it allows you to keep extending him as KC is doing with Mahomes. It has to be a player you feel really good about. Quay could be an option at the LB price. But they'll go 4 years at a time, he'll likely get ~20M AAV(more if he moves to LT). I don't think it's a good idea, but there are a LOT of signs pointing to Jaire not being back. Schefter's report about his 8M signing bonus; https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39210120/jaire-alexander-roster-bonus-key-cb-packers-future-sources-say I completely agree with you with the leadership(I think Ja's good for the locker room...that laid-back confidence and the aggressive style of play). He did something stupid, but he was not the only one who had issues with coaching. That said, you're just talking about creating cap space this year...but again, like with Campbell, if you cut him this year, then in '25 when we have a to of cap space, they'd be off the books. NOT a good enough reason to move on from an elite player at a premium position, but that'd be the salary cap argument(really though, how can you not at LEAST get something in a trade for him). You only do this IF You think his shoulder injuries are going to become more troubling or he can't hold up physically? That's just about training and luck. You're not going to change your scheme and it's not a great use of money to have a 20M cover corner when you're playing Vic Fangio's defense. That seems like it'd be compounding stupid with stupid as the Fangio Defense's worked when he had BIG CBs and safeties. There's more going on and they don't think Ja is a good leader? It really shouldn't be about the money. Most teams that have a ton of cap space...aren't very good. You lack cap space because you have lots of players to pay or you're really young...usually. Maybe it's nothing, but this feels like something when combined with previous reports. Jaire's own Insta;

He's signed now. I think you can play him and Santana at 1B/DH enough that it'd make more sense to bring back someone who can be a defensive replacement or at least splits days in the field. Don't really like the idea of sacrificing that much defense at 1st(though I have no idea how good Bauers is there or if Black can play well there). Either way, great signing. Really surprised they pulled this off for 2 years a this price.

If the question is if they got results out of their QBs, I think going back 10 years is a pretty reasonable time frame and relevant, especially since the 49ers have had the same general identity for years now. Build an elite defense, play-makers around them, and then try to win without an elite QB. I'm not ripping them for not having won a SB...just the opposite. I think it's impressive how they're consistently in the NFCCG or a SB despite not having elite QBs. And you could do the same thing with Jimmy G. He got hurt in week 6 in 2020, so...the 6-10 isn't really on him. Lost to the Rams in the NFCCG in 2021 when they won it. Last year they were the hottest team in the NFL when Jimmy G got hurt having won 5 in a row... and Jimmy G and Purdy put up nearly identical stats. Purdy was ready to play, but I think it's also just a sign that SF is so loaded, they don't need a superstar(though if they'd have gotten Stafford, Rodgers or a better QB, probably a safe bet they'd have won at least one if not multiple SBs. I'm not really waiting for him to crap the bed. Frankly, I think he did that vs us last week, we just blew it. Is he really being slandered though? I think it's just a realistic view of his talents. He's competent QB in an incredible system that has 6 All Pros on his side of the ball. I don't think he's got that big arm, I don't think he can thread that needle vs C2 on that route that Love hit vs Philly last year...I think that limits his upside, but I guess I'm missing something. I didn't see Purdy slandered so much as it was pointed out...they've won with numerous QBs and he's not elite. Well, he can't sign until next off-season, but it'll be interesting to see where both sides are at that point. 50M by that point may not be in the top half of the salaries, but I take your point. If he wants to be paid among the elite. I don't know if he deserves to be, but we'll see. There's plenty of time between now and then that he should answer the question if he's more than Jimmy G or if he's just a guy who's good enough to win with, but not someone you win because of...as was the case with Jimmy G(or I'd argue Kaep).

Yeah, because they had a PG Quarterback and a top 10 offense. Either way, you really don't understand the point I'm making? Rodgers, Love, they required a complete teardown of their throwing. QBs like Herbert, Stroud, Dak, they didn't. Dak took a step back after his rookie year. Ok. He still threw for 23 TDs, 4 INTs as a rookie and went 13-3. I NEVER said he didn't have a learning curve or that they came in their first year and were as good as they'd ever be. I don't get what the point of this is. There are QBs who've come in and had immediate success and then there are QBs who need a lot more work. I don't see how that could be argued or why...but...ok.

I'd be careful what you wish for. MLB would almost certainly bail out a franchise like the Dodgers. They generate so much money.

Yeah....well, you just explains being a consumer. Not everyone is willing to pay for it. The "hassle" really shouldn't be a reason. You should have a smart TV if you've bought one recently and if not, you can make it a smart TV for 30 bucks. I added it all up and I was paying over 400 bucks for TV. No NFL package, just Max, Paramount, Prime(which I counted as like 20 bucks because I'd have it either way), Hulu/ESPN/Disney, Peacock, Starz, MGM, Netflix, Apple+...plus the Direct TV extreme package(because it was ~120 when I got it). Now I have a more basic Direct TV(should get YT TV) and I get Apple for a few months, then cancel, same with all the rest. When I know I'll have time, I cancel. BUT, the Brewers, Bucks or Packers? I'd spend to watch any of them. Hell, I still pay for season tickets and then sell them to family. I prefer watching the games at home.

Stroud really didn't make rookie mistakes this year, but there's developing and then there's having to completely break a QB down(like Rodgers) and rebuild his entire mechanics, or Love(he was already broke down)...vs a Watson, Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar type. Dak, whoever. But Mahomes set NFL records his 2nd year and in 6 years in the league, he backed up a PB QB one year, then lost in 2 AFCCG OTs(one without touching the ball) and then played in 3 SBs. Big difference between those QBs and Rodgers/Love. Yeah, sure, but most teams have limited patience. Sometimes it pays off(The Rams Goff/Stafford) sometimes it doesn't. It's the benefit of not having an owner IMO. I don't disagree with anything else. I don't know how good Purdy is...I don't expect we'll know until SF loses Kittle, Cmac, and doesn't have 6 All-Pro's on offense. I won't try and convince you he's not Matt Flynn. I do know his team is going to the NFCCG on the strength of it's DL and physical style of play. Feels like we're trending in that direction.

Anyone know what is actually going on with the cap? The cap is ~25M or more lower due to the Covid losses. The 2021 Cap should have ~120 and they settled on 198...to be spread out with interest over 4 years(starting in '21, so '21, '22, '23) and they said they were well ahead of schedule last year. But I've heard nothing about this since. Makes me think we're looking at another year before the cap takes that big jump. No, I would agree. I don't expect he will, but I do hope he's more aggressive than Thompson. In both years he was our GM, he spent aggressively when we had space. I think that suggests he's going to be aggressive, but it's hard to tell. Outside of Safety, Packers fans can't seem to agree on what needs to be addressed. I've been pretty clear about where I think they should invest(heavily) and that's OL. Others believe Walker is on a Bakh arc. I saw one prominent writer say they should draft a RT and kick Tom inside to RG(the last thing I'd do personally...LT/RT/C and then RG). So maybe Tyron Smith as we try and develop a guy or have Walker as cheap depth? Smith is similar to Bakh, he's elite when he can go. Safety makes more sense though. Jordan Love makes the most yet. No, all that does it leave more dead cap for '25 when we should be, as things stand, 80M or sounder the cap even with Love(but no Clark, Jones, or any other FA signings, just Love). You could also save money with Savage or Nixon if you extend them before the start of the league year. I'd bring both back...at the right price. I like Nixon more as a safety. He can fly, has great speed. He's tough, he can tackle, but he's not real loose, so maybe not a great fit in the slot. Better turn that Douglas pick into something the way the season ended up going. 5/250 sounds like the right number, but it's going to go up the longer they wait. He's already due 13 next year with the escalators. I've also seen people thinking he'd get 5/180. Some people are going to probably be upset when he signs(though some people are upset when the sun comes up, so...oh well, that's the going price). Gutekunst truly has a blank slate to work with moving forward. He can pick any position in the 1st(though it may be too early to groom the next QB). A WRer, I've seen mocks with Bowers falling, that'd be a little wild, but he's a helluva pass catcher. A WRer could go first, a DL. Whoever the best value is. Or, they could decide there is a need. But he just has to not screw up what he's done. Sign Tom after next year. If they extend Clark, I wouldn't go past ~3 years and stay in the 55M range. JRJ, let him walk. I would not extend Jones though. He took a cut last year and he's going to be 30. I'd ask him to take a 4-5M cut...then go year to year after. That's tough though because he had a great run, but he played half the snaps and had his least productive year(though a helluva run at the end). There've been rumors that Alexander's willingness to push his 8M roster bonus down the road or into incentives may dictate if he's back next year. That seems incredibly stupid...unless you can get acceptable trade value(which I'd put at a 1st+3rd and maybe another pick, but with the injuries the past 2 of 3 years, IDK who agrees to that). It'd also just create a hole. You'd better have an idea what scheme you're going to play and fast. Let the DC have a say. You want to play this Cover2/3, DeJean from Iowa would be great, but getting some safeties would be even more important. Go with an aggressive scheme, Jaire is worth his weight in gold. Even in a zone, conservative scheme, he's a difference-maker.

Yeah, but not only is it rare, it took time to develop each and every one of those(hell, Flynn probably developed the quickest). Rodgers is a bust if he plays yr 1(just my opinion...with the high and tight and poor decision-making). Love is probably closer to early Favre. I think the biggest factor here is patience and then incredible QB coaching. Holmgren, McCarthy, and...the man who I hope retires for about 15 years and comes back one last time, the great Tom Clement.

Royce Newman was in? I didn't even notice. In the words of Collinsworth, 'now he's a guy,' who looked like a pretty nice backup Swing and just versatile OL as a rookie. Was pretty bad last year, didn't improve, and then one of the worst OL I've seen play for the Packers this year. Him at LT is brutal.

I'd argue they did get those results. They were a terrible DPI call away from winning a SB with Kaep. They were up in the SB before Mahomes brought them back vs Jimmy G. They haven't been to a SB yet with Purdy. And if you look at the previous 7 games Jimmy G played, his numbers were nearly identical to Purdy's. SF was getting hot, Garapalo got hurt, Purdy came in, McCaffery was traded for and they stayed hot. I think it's valued as highly as anything a QB can do...it's just NEARLY impossible to predict how that's going to translate at the NFL...and a LOT of it is coaching. You mention Ryan Leaf. He was viewed as a cerebral QB. He was a "leader," and he was extroverted, he was intense. He made good decisions at WSU on the field. I think if you could tell how a QB would anticipate, how he'd read NFL defenses, how he'd be able to keep his eyes up with the pass rush coming...it'd be real easy to draft QBs.

It was 4th and inches at the SF 14. I don't think any coach is kicking the FG there. And saying Carlson was "directly responsible," for losing the game is...ridiculous. The ball was snapped it was at a...what, 45-degree angle pointing AWAY from him in the pouring rain? Not on Carlson...as popular as it is to blame him. Also, they clearly got that 1st down...but even THAT play isn't "directly responsible," for the loss. 60 minutes of Football never comes down to 2 plays... Though if you want to blame two plays, the dropped pick by Savage or the two missed throws on 3rd down, one that would have been an easy 1st to Jones, the other that was off Kraft and picked around mid-field would be the two.

Youngest team since the NFL merger. Zach Tom going down with injury was a killer. Not that Nijman was bad, but...Tom was the one guy who you could really count on to hold up vs Bosa/Young.

I don't think that was Barry's fault...but vs a QB like Purdy, you need to make him earn it. We just sat back and hoped he'd make a mistake.

Yeah...gonna try to not get too upset about this. Got a lot of premium picks. Go out, fortify the OL, keep adding talent and Love will learn from this. But JFC, that's a chance for Love to etch himself into Packer lore...

Yeah, that's gut-wrenching... BUT...there's a lot of positives to take from this season...not that anyone wants to hear that right now.

Look for another chunk play over the middle here...

In the pouring rain...

**1:07 left Love still has a chance to be the hero...but man...I wish they would have just gotten their *** kicked rather than lose like this. So, the only choice is to go down and score in the final minute.

That's why it'd be unexpected.

This would be the way for the most unexpected season in recent Packers memory to go. Getting a stop in the red zone in the final 2 minutes...

They're going to score with ~1 minute left...

That a catch? I think it is...

I don't have confidence in having to score late in the game. They need to force SF into making a mistake here.