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Vanguard...it's owned by the investors, they aren't taking a pct, they take a flat fee(1500 a year, but you need to have a min of 500K in there **For a personal financial planner, not to open up any account there). That'd be my advice as I've been very happy with them. They go over every detail with you. The questions you should ask? I have a feeling you know, but are they fiduciary, how do they make money or what % do they take. What are their returns over the past 15 years. Probably nothing you wouldn't already ask. Maybe someone else can add something more insightful on that end, but Vanguard is something I'd strongly recommend.

I don't know about the Jaire thing. The MJS just reported that the decision on keeping him or not may come down to the 8M roster bonus he has coming up. Maybe that's a bluff. It seems outrageous to me that they'd cut him. Trading him would make a lot of sense, but are you getting a 1st? I'd certainly trade him if you could get a pick in the top half of the 1st, but given the injuries, that may be a big ask(coming off last year, I think he'd have been worth a 1st+a a couple of later picks). We're completely in agreement on JL. He's the ideal fit. With regard to the players, Slaton is more of a NT, but teams that run the 4-3 still have big, physical space-eaters out there. Damon Harrison played in a 4-3 for much of his career. LVN seems to like to play with his hand on the ground more than standing up. Gary is a guy I think is going to be great no matter where he plays. I also prefer the 34, but I don't want to see the Packers eliminating DCs because they run more of a 43. And really, any DC should be able to run both and get the most out of their players. But, hypothetically, if Saleh is available as a DC this upcoming off-season, you're not gonna pass on him because he likes a 4-3, right? I'm just using him as an example, I do not expect the Jets to fire him. They'd be crazy to do so.

I did as well. I'd gladly give Woody a 3-year deal in the 45M range with incentives. I'm confident enough in the teams' ability to rehab arms/shoulders and in Woody's work ethic and previous durability that I'd feel comfortable there. It'd be a big risk, but it's tough to get top of the rotation-type arms. The argument that it won't happen because...it didn't happen....it doesn't make sense to me. Also, we didn't waive him, we non-tendered him. That's a pretty big distinction. I think it's unlikely to happen, but of all the hypotheticals that have been thrown out, this seems like the most likely.

Yes...he's also had bad games vs terrible QBs and like every year a couple of games the D really played well, but that last part should be abundantly clear. I could understand why he was bad in Detroit and Washington. Preston Smith was his best player on the later team and he didn't have a whole lot in Detroit(I did not know his father-in-law was Rod Marinelli). Nobody that I can remember(maybe Suh was there...IDR). But there is talent in GB on that side of the ball. IF they can bring in someone who the players respect, I think you'd see this defense turn around very quickly. I prefer a 34 defense, but I don't really care at this point. It's really not that big of a deal...and a 4-3 where the DL can play a 1 gap scheme and get up-field may work better. I just hope we haven't done irreparable damage to the development of some of the young guys or a guy like Jaire. He's an elite talent and I really don't want to see him go. I'm still a big Jim Leonhard fan, but Minter from Michigan looked pretty good. Zimmer, such a wide range of candidates who are ALL just leagues better than Barry.

I meant what I said. I first used total revenue and then said the income a sport generates. And salaries are tied to that in professional sports. I'm really not even sure how that's in question. That MLB has fallen behind the other sports and is "only" at ~44% while the other sports have a set number that's closer to 49% has been a point of contention with the union fighting for a floor, but it absolutely is tied to it total revenue. Very specifically tailored to be tied to revenue generated. The entertainment sector? Ok, so they're not an outlier when compared to the entertainment sector, but you're still using overall inflation? I don't know(or believe) that's true with regard to the entertainment sector...but more importantly, I don't care. This was about sports as compared to general inflation.

NO, you're absolutely right. Player salaries have NEEEEVER been tied to the income a sport generates and professional sprots are not an outlier in economics at ALL! I am definitely the one who...-insert lazy 'tell me you know nothing without telling me- line here...🤣

We had a lot of success with Burnes leading our rotation...yet when someone proposed the idea of trading Yelich and using that money to sign Burnes(in another hypothetical) you flatly dismissed it by saying "ain't happening, Burnes said he priced himself out of Milwaukee." Not sure who suggested it, but it made a lot more sense than going and bringing back Hader at this point. What Burnes actually said was something along the lines of he's unlikely to sign an extension this close to free agency. But a reliever who's a current FA vs a SPer who's currently on our roster, you dismiss the possibility of signing the starter, but leave the door open to signing the reliever? The chances are exceedingly slim we sign either, it's just an odd contradiction there.

LOL...the overreactionary responses are a little funny to me. This was Fickell's first year, he's got a good recruiting class, his players coming in and we're already talking about how they'll NEVER get back to a B1G Title game, Fickell(the guy who went to the playoffs at Cincy, he may not be the answer... I think the playcalling is being a bit over-analyzed a bit as well. We played aggressively. If Allen is in there, or if it's the regular season, run it a bit more, but this is more of an exhibition game for teams to trot out the young guys who have stood out and give them some run. I thought they played well. They showed an explosive passing game, they have some players who should take a jump next year...but I'm really looking toward '25. You have to have some patience with a new HC looking to change a program. And we have Van-Dyke coming in along with a very talented young QB from Texas. Van Dyke was in some first rd mocks coming into this year. We have talented RBs, some exciting young WR, and some DBs. Positions we normally don't thrive at. Would have liked to have won...I don't see this as a huge harbinger of things to come, or doom on the horizon. If anything, I thought it was encouraging.

Player income is always tied to the revenue generated by the league(at least in the modern era). The dollar value from 1990 to 2023 does not compare salaries from today to 1990. If you were talking about a Principal, a skilled laborer, or virtually any other industry, it'd make sense. Not professional sports though. So I don't really understand why you'd use that standard for inflation. It's not really relevant.

I remember once seeing the Brewers payroll atop the league at ~19M a year(something like that). But they're inexact and that was years ago and probably inaccurate. BUT, to the larger point, Selig was a great owner, but he was more than that. There are no Milwaukee Brewers without Bud, the financial landscape is even more imbalanced without Selig as the Commissioner. He did an awful lot for the city of Milwaukee. Based on what? Normal inflation numbers, WAR per season from that period? Because MLB's total revenue was under 600M in 1990 and just under 11B in 2023.

Yeah, agreed. Also...I don't agree. Of course you can "grieve" the loss of a playoff series, a season. You only get so many of them, then but so many real chances in the post-season...so it sucks when you lose. That's what we're grieving. It's rough. I still wouldn't trade my "pasture" for anyone else's.

Clark is having a great year. He's not going anywhere. He's more likely to get a 2-3 year extension. But if not, he's got 13M in dead cap in '25. But I think Jones will take a ~5M cut on his base salary which is...IIRC around 11M. Campbell and Preston Smith will likely be cut/traded. We'd still have ~43M in cap space IF the cap only goes up the minimum amount. You still have to set aside quite a bit of money in there for the regular season, for draft picks, other smaller signings, but when you look at the cap after that, you've got ~35M from Bakh/Clark that will be off the books the following year when you'd have almost a completely clean cap. That's before you get to Jaire. He could cost you 3M to move off of next year vs the cap, but now you're saving 25M on the '25 cap. I'm skeptical they'd do that unless they got a 1st for him, but who knows how that'll play out. How he responds and plays next week and hopefully the following will help. Plus, safeties don't get paid in FA like other positions. Bates and Simmons, two of the best safeties and biggest deals got deals in the 4/60M range. They could get that yr 1 cap hit down to 10M(lower if they wanted). I think they could pretty easily sign a guy like Baker/Winfield and their future cap situation would be really healthy at this point. Should be kept in mind, Love will probably get an extension in the off-season, but still, plenty of room if they wanted to make a big FA signing...or two. I still really like Connor Williams from Miami as a Center. Great fit, nice upgrade(though Myers has been playing much better).

That is wild. I think I put something like this on my pre-season prediction, but...A-I probably didn't believe it and B-That was with Bakh, a lock down LT, an elite RT, and a just really good OL for the whole season. And I'm sure I'd have also included Watson staying healthy and Jones and the WRers/TEs for the most part. That hasn't been the case obviously. Obviously, nobody saying he's as good or better than 12, but he's matched his level of play through season 1 with a lot more obstacles. That is extremely exciting!

No, he's not returning with his contract expiring and the comments both players and MLF have made. They've had a few game plans this year where they drastically change the way they play. Tonight they dropped Kenny Clark and brought Nixon on a Corner blitz, he had Ballentine in man coverage vs Jefferson. Not to say the later is a good thing, it's just a different look so they could create more pressure. As I say this, the woman on TJM4 says, "We've gotta give Joe Barry his flowers." LOL...no, we do not. This should be the exception with this much talent on D, not the outliers.

I believe we had the highest payroll in MLB one year. Yount was made the highest-paid player as well...IIRC.

I'm talking about the '78-84 teams. The WS teams...the teams that would have made the playoffs 5 straight years in the current model(even before the last expanded WC team). Right. It's kinda hard to argue against Yount, Molitor, Coop, Oglive, Thomas, Fingers, Vook, Sutton, Simmons...just a stacked team. It's a great era to be a Brewers fan NOW though. That's the larger point...and I completely agree with that. Would it'd be nice if Cohen bought the team? Sure...but again, the structure and the organization are all headed in the right direction.

Yeah, it's kinda hard to compare it to the first 18 years as an expansion team to a WS team. Yount, Molly, Coop. That's probably the golden era for many, but Attanasio has kept the Brewers in Milwaukee, the future is bright with regard to the stadium, the players, the farm system. We have the right people leading it and hopefully an Acuna Jr type talent coming up.

LOL...kid says it all! I know I'm in the minority, but I feel good about the way this team is built now. I think there's a lot of young talent and you can either hold with Burnes/Adames and see what that young talent gives you, or trade them and build toward the future. There's a lot of reason to keep them and I think it's as much about winning next year as it is about not pissing off the majority of the fanbase. I still hear complaining about Hader from Brewers Twitter. And while people may argue that shouldn't matter, of course it does. They're trying to get fans in the stadium.

Stokes graded the best in Press-Man coverage as a rookie. He was exceptional, particularly for a rookie. He wasn't nearly as good last year, then got hurt and it was a bad injury. And now this year has been a lost year. I don't see any reason to let him go at this point...but I also can't envision them picking up his option. That one seems like an easy call. Gives him another year to rehab and get on the field. It's a little disconcerting...it'd suggest he just pulled it again in camp. Watson is going to work with some specialists on strengthening his back in hopes it'll help him with Hamstrings. I don't know how heavily they need to invest in CB, but they need to invest in DBs. With the salary cap clearing up, I mentioned Budda Baker in another thread, but Antoine Winfield would be another really good fit. A safety who's tough, good in coverage...and then you invest in a safety like Hicks(WSU) or Williams(Miami) later on. More of a SS type. They definitely found something in Valentine and I'd hope that a new DC can get the most out of Jaire. I like him, think he's a good dude, he's competitive. Just has to get his head right.

I can't say I've noticed a lot of cheap shots or anything that's impacted the game negatively, but they do seem to do a lot of talking for a team giving up 30+ to terrible offenses...that can get annoying(like a guy celebrating a 1st down-down 30 points in a blowout). But I guess with the current poor leadership, it wouldn't surprise me to see someone getting a personal foul or do something stupid at the worst possible time. I am happy with Quay. He's walked the line pretty well this year. Reigned in the stupid $### while still playing aggressively and with an edge.

Yes...I think they almost certainly would. Teams are still going to do whatever they can to win, to get an edge. I don't see why teams wouldn't try and innovate. Would we be asking the same thing about the NFL and developing QBs with the Packers "QB school," under Clements? The Packers are flush with cash, they can pay as much as anyone. The GSWs in the NBA, they changed the style of play in the NBA and analytics rule the day. Seems like they'd try and maintain any competitive advantage they can. I don't care how my teams win(aside from just flagrant cheating). The Packers were spending roughly 100M more on players than the salary cap and probably 150 more for just last season than the likes of the Bears and other bad teams(and now are spending about 70M less than the cap). Players are coming to the Bucks to play now that otherwise wouldn't. Players always go to teams like the Heat or Lakers. There's no balanced playing field, but if you have a cap, you limit the imbalance and then teams have to fight to find wins and gains on the margins...the pitching lab being a prime example. The Brewers in an NFL/NBA type system probably sign Burnes to extensions by now. The flip side is they probably also sign Burnes.

"Salary cappers?" That's a new one. But if you watch the NFL, NBA and MLB, players in Baseball are earning less % of the revenue than the two capped sports. Pretty sure the market is fair in the NFL, NBA.

Maybe with Rodgers, he's there to calm the players on defense down...and it's not just Rodgers, but Lewis, Cobb, Bakh was around the team. Then this year they don't have the veteran leadership, and the most outspoken vet seemed to be Douglas. The first part is so painfully obvious, it's frustrating that he's not being fired. Again, probably a good man, nice guy...but so are dozens of players invited to camp each year. The players don't respect him and it's so important to build the culture right around such a young core. I think you might need to go get a guy like Budda Baker as a FA this year. Someone who just has the impeccable credentials as a player, has a team first attitude and obviously being in his prime helps. He reminds me a bit of LeRoy. I hope it's Leonhard. It's so annoying to hear people say we only want him because he was at UW or that if you get Leonhard, "it's just a different version of Pettine." He's an outstanding coach. I do know that because I watched him at Wisconsin more than Michigan's DC(who Michigan fans say is the next big hire) but it's also easy to see how his scheme so easily translates. LOL...yeah...too much goes into the job for him to be managing everything. You had a bunch of big-names available to be your GM...you went with Gutey, now trust him. Gutey went with MLF, trust him. That's how the job works. If they don't produce results, you fire them. MLF having to go to Gutekunst and Ball to fire Barry and then going to Murphy and Murphy having to approve it? It's stupid. Keep it how it'd been under Harlan and most of his tenure. I still think this team is mostly going in the right direction. Just basic, obvious changes are needed.

Right. I'm saying the reports at the time were that he turned down 650M in favor of 550M, not a billion. That's a big difference, but given what Balmer did to get the LAC, it's hardly surprising he'd up the offer like that. It IS surprising even a wealthy man like Kohl wouldn't take him up on it. That's...pretty special. Milwaukee had two owners whose teams were....not great for a large majority of their tenure, but each did their part to ensure Milwaukee kept their teams. Selig and Kohl.

Yes, I'd want Painter rather than Abel, but I can't imagine the Phills give up that much for a rental. I was thinking Painter and then maybe Kerkering and McFarlane, but that's a big-big package for 3 years total of pitching(albeit exceptional pitching).