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Hopefully, we look back at that being the turning point(not the FGs or 4th and 1 stop). Could have easily been 21-6 with those two possessions. Would have been in the past.

That looked like just straight-man coverage(which...Savage got beat, so maybe that's what you mean by blown coverage). I like the play-call, but I'd rather you blitz into Purdy's face. Put someone on Trent(Smith or LVN) and then overload the other side. But pressure that doesn't get home and man coverage vs this team is not a good mix. HUUUGE stop there. Gary applying some pressure off the edge, DL up the middle! Massive-massive drive now for the Packers. 1st down-PA pass Come back to Jones.

Watson or line up Musgrave outside and throw it up to him. Ward is tough, so I don't know about testing him, but you've got 3 guys who are 6'4-6'5. But I trust Love to make plays down there. If we can get a stop here, the momentum swings back to the Packers. That's a BIIIG if.

It's just gutless. They don't trust their OL in pass pro though. Hopefully Shanahan's past repeats itself in tight games.

It really is. SF is not playing aggressively...which is more than alright with me. As good as Shanahan is, he plays tight in close games. It's easy to open it up when you're running as they have in the past, but in close games he's ultra conservative. AND THE ROOKIE WOODEN WITH A TIP!!!!

Hard for me to envision Barry coming with anything aggressive here. I could see a screen to McCaffery here if they bring 5. So...just don't let someone behind them(obviously).

Definitely miss Kevin Greene. All-Time great sequence. "It. Is. Time." And then Clay slices inside and comes up with a game-saving forced fumble.

Gary has been a "non-factor" for months? LOL...who are you watching?

They're getting it out too quickly, but he'll make a couple plays...

It's definitely going to dictate the rest of the game. SF scores a TD on one of the two drives or a TD and a FG, now the Packers are forced to throw it a bit more. Hargroves is a pass rusher more than a run stuffer... And there's no margin for error. If you can get a stop before half...I'll feel pretty good about their chances. Really just one big play for SF thus far. And it's been Barry bringing pressure and playing aggressively in the secondary...which is what most of us want.

Yup. Just...discussing the Packers needs on Twitter. This game is going to be thee barometer of what area's the Packers need. Walker has been playing well, but I'm not sold on him as our future LT just yet. It's also a little weird to see so much Sean Ryan all a sudden. He's too flat-footed in pass pro(though I don't even know if he was in there on those last two plays). Same here. I'll take 1st and 10 on the 12 anyday of the week. Everything just gets compressed down there.

49ers front is really getting after Love. HUGE sequence coming up here. SF has 4 minutes and they get the ball on the other side of the half. Defense has to come up with some plays here...keep getting in Purdy's face.

HUUUGE!!! The way he extended that play and then put it right on Doubs? Man...he just keeps impressing!

Totally legal play. I didn't see Myers doing anything that should have been 15(though I'm *NOW seeing Myers putting his helmet in the face of SF...which is fairly mild, but off-setting is fine).

Yes. Just say with the game plan. Don't start forcing things. That 15 should be on SF. That was SF pushing Myers in the face!

It is...but Love is still standing in there and Jones is playing well. I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves with the defeatism. This team is resilient.

Yup. 2 times inside the 15 and 3 points. Can't beat SF doing that. Also a dropped pick that probably goes for 6. But they're standing in there...and Kittle scores a TD.

Yeah, that's hard to see exactly where the ball is. I like the idea of putting a GPS chip in the ball so they know EXACTLY where the ball was done(it's been talked about but IDK how it may impact the ball). This Defensive front, particularly WYATT, Clark, Brooks and Slaton, they've been just outstanding!

I guess it should be better for the Packers. I go back to the QB and arm strength. Love has better arm strength than Purdy. This has been SF's worst run-blocking OL(still ranked 10th). It's hard to say. SF throws it down the field even more than we do, but they're just as capable of throwing WR screens to Deebo or McCaffery(maybe a shot for Jaire to jump one?). I think it'll come down to Wyatt, Brooks, Slaton all playing well along with Kenny Clark and hopefully Gary can duplicate his last playoff performance vs SF. I think it was 3 sacks, at least 1 FF.

Even when we had a lot of incompletions, it was because of the Packers' youth and a lot of downfield passing. Though to be fair, the 49ers "dink and dunk," offense is a pretty big misnomer as well. Purdy is #1 in Air yards per pass. But Love's proven his accuracy is not just good, it's elite. The wind and rain is going to hurt anyone's accuracy. BUT, I'll take the QB with the stronger arm to cut through the elements. We've got that.

San Fran employs a FB...and they employ him exceptionally well. He's a play maker for that team. He's also more of an H-Back than a FB IMO, but whatever... That isn't and wasn't why I said I thought SF had more weapons. I don't think any team in the NFL has more weapons than SF. Miami may have been close, but they don't have the RB/TE combo. Are we talking about other teams needing to account for a player or who's the better "weapon" right now? Yes, SF will have to game plan for Musgrave, Kraft...even Deguara. Why? Becauase they have to game plan for everyone...and they do. Still, George Kittle is a HOF TE, one of the best ever, an elite blocker and pass catcher and he's just simply better at this point. Doesn't mean we can't win. I just do not see how you can say the Packers have better weapons than SF. You're saying the Packers have the best weapons in the NFL and it's not particularly close. Deebo is their #2 WRer also. Brandon Ayiuk....who I actually believe we were trading up for when we picked Love...in what could be one of the great all-time draft day stories if true, he's become a true #1. By who? Aaron Jones is AWESOME. He's a great player. He's one of the most unselfish players. He took less money to stay in GB. He took a paycut after a good year to come BACK to GB. It's Jones and Ahman Green for the best back since the Lombardi era IMO. McCaffery is the best RB in the NFL though and he's an elite receiver. You think I'm discounting the Packers here? I'm not. This is about the 49ers and the challenge we face. A-You're strangly obsessed with this FB thing. And we do...we play with Degurara. We drafted him HOPING he'd be able to do the things Juice does in San Fran. He hasn't been able to. But he's effectively a FB. Also, just to be clear, we ran the ball more the last three years with Rodgers than we did this year. So this whole "Rodgers took the ball out of Jones hands," it's not only irrelevant IMO to this discussion, but it's become a bit too fashionable to trash Rodgers on the field performance while in GB.

No shot. Weapons? The Packers offense is incredibly young and talented...but SF has 5 players who are among the best at their positions. Future rankings...eh, maybe. Young talent, no question. Weapons right now? You're grossly underestimating the Niners. First I'll start by saying I think Purdy is a nice QB. Not a great QB. I think Cousins is a better QB. He's more mobile, but he's not as talented as the top 10-14 QBs in the NFL. It's his talent and the scheme that make him look so damn good. They're better at TE. Kittle is the best TE in the NFL. Trent Williams, best LT. McCaffery, best RB. Brandon Aiyuk, an AP WRer. Deebo, one of the most dangerous playmakers in the game. They can line up Deebo in the backfield and run as effectively as any RB, McCaffery can lineup at the X and be the best WRer on the field. That's not accounting for Kyle Juszcyk an AP FB this year and he's been named to 8 straight pro-bowls. These are proven WRers, TEs...and they've got depth at RB. Mitchell is a change of pace back and similar to Mosert with elite speed. I love the Packers YOUNG weapons, I think they're a piece or two away from becoming great...but they are young weapons. It's nice getting a big game from Doubs after having 0 catches the previous game or having Wicks have such a surprisingly good rookie year or Kraft coming in and adding a physical style of run after the catch while Musgrave gets down the seem...but combined, they produced about 70% of what Kittle did this year. SF has two WRers in their prime who've are #1's or in Deebo's case, if you want to argue he's not a true #1 X WRer, that's fine, he's a perfect player in that scheme. Where we can get San Fran is their OL. Namely their IOL. Clark, Wyatt and Slaton should be able to feat and the pass rushers(minus Slaton, add Brooks and to a degree Wooden) and they could really make Purdy uncomfortable. Get pressure up the middle, get Purdy off his spot, get your edge rushers to maintain their pass-rushing lanes so Purdy can't extend plays. He IS pretty good at that, he's not "just" a system QB who checks the ball down, but they have guys running open so much, it's like the Packers vs the Cowboys. So the pass rush needs to come to play. I'd like to see LVN and Smith playing more on their Right Side(so over Trent Williams). LVN at least is physical enough that he won't allow Williams to blow him off the ball and then get to the next level. He's basically the sacrificial lamb. Hopefully you see the Packers playing a lot of different schemes, but a lot of base and when they do go to nickel, you'll need to put Jaire/Valentine on an Island on occasion and use Savage as that robber and Quay/Campbell can cover the middle of the field. With Cmac and those option routes, Kittle down the seem and then just the similar concepts we run with a lot of mesh routes and crossers, some inverted C2 with the backers getting good drops, C1 Robber or Cover 3 match could force Purdy to hold the ball a bit(and hopefully allow the pass rush to get home. It's gonna be a LOT of fun though. The SF offense vs the Packers Defense is obviously a mis-match on Paper, but I'm confident MLF can add enough input...given they run very similar schemes and that we can get a few timely sacks at big moments that the offense should have a chance. WE need 2 turnovers, we need to not turn the ball over and we need long drives in which we don't allow Bosa/Young./Hargraves to get us behind the sticks. Oh, and if Rasheed Walker wants to prove me wrong(and I caught just absolute hell for suggesting in a Packers "needs" discussion on Twitter that LT should be our top priority) and prove he's more than just a good LT FOR a 7th rd pick and someone who wasn't expected to start this year...I'd be absolutely thrilled.

It's not a crazy argument. I don't think they were as good yet. That Dallas team still had their best OL, Harper and then the big 3. But that was a 27-24 game and that includes Favre throwing a pick after the Packers got a big stop but were pinned back inside their own 10. And then at 31-27 in the 3rd/4th(I was ~10 when this game played, but I remember it pretty clearly)...he threw a 1st down pick that either Teague or Brown took back inside the 20 that led to the final score. 38-27. So just a cleaner game from Favre and maybe they win it. Though...Dallas did have 8 pro-bowlers on offense, multiple APs and Erik Williams, back from injury, was not one of them(though he was arguably their best). The Packers had the best player on each side of the ball(even with Emmitt and Deion). But that Dallas OL and DL were just dominant. By the way, just as a side note, what's the first thing everyone thinks of when they think of what Deion COULDN'T(or wouldn't) do? He somehow got this reputation for not being a hitter, but he could lay the wood early in his career. He was a solid sized CB(especially for that era). I remember watching something with Switzer told him to be LESS physical in the run game as they were using him as a CB, WR, KR, PR and he was...Deion. Anyway, I view the 49ers as similar to those Cowboys teams at the moment. They've had our number. I still think they're physically superior, BUT I also feel like we've got a shot and we're ascending(though I don't really seem the 49ers descending anytime soon...thank god for that Lance trade or they could have Parsons+2 1sts and a 3rd on their roster).

I don't think anyone's asking for "Labor," the players to sacrifice anything. I think them earning ~50% of the total revenue is a GOOD thing. They're not at this point because the teams that make all the money are trying to not go too deep into the taxes and the small market teams just can't afford to pay everyone. If this was like the NBA(forget the NFL, it'll never be that equal) then you would actually have more money going back into the players' pockets. No...I don't like that. It disincentivizes owners from improving the fan experience. I...don't really have a strong opinion on this. It makes a little bit of sense, but it's really hard to see how you enforce this legally. It's akin to buying into a really not HOA and then when you sell your house, you have to pay them a % on top of everything else you've spent because the HOA has made all the properties more valuable. But sure. 10% of the sales price(after taxes...otherwise it's a little unfair to ask for 10% on a 6 billion dollar sale and you're already paying probably...30% after taxes with the capital gains and then the depreciation they claim that accelerates). So you sell for 6 Billion, you end up pocketing say...4 billion, 400M goes to MLB. That's unlikely to pass any type of legal scrutiny, but not a terrible idea. I don't really like this either. No other league has this and I don't think you should limit how much you can pay trainers or even your GMs. This should still be a merit-based business and you should be rewarded for success. You'll never get that. For instance, in the NFL...the Cowboys make a TON more than the Packers do. Even after they put the majority of their ticket sales, the TV revenue, merchandising...put that all in and divide it by 32, they still generate a ton more money. BUT with the cap, with the floor, with the main thing, the revenue sharing, it hasn't provided that huge benefit. Now the wealthier teams still have some advantage in the NFL. They can stay ahead of the cap with cash(too much to get into, but they can keep giving signing bonuses, prorate it, push the cap down the road and they're spending 20, 30, 50 Million a year more and just using accounting and the ever-rising cap to push it down the road)...BUT it's not a system where the Chiefs and Packers can't afford to pay Mahomes and Rodgers or even Chris Jones and Kenny Clark. Make the floor 100M, the cap 300M. You can even have exceptions as you have in the NBA. You can go over for a 10/5 player...call it Brett Rights. I don't care. Just move the needle a bit without a system that's...I don't know what the word is...I guess punitive toward the owners. If you lock in how much they can make and you lock in ticket prices, you'll end up with an inferior experience. Just no motivation to improve anything at the stadium.

Ah...that should have been obvious being as it was in Candlestick. Good call. Anyway, that was still a massive game for us. Knocking off SF when it was viewed as a two-team race over those 4 years. SF's last win with Montana, then NYG, Washington...and then I think it was Dallas for two, SF knocked them off with Deion(and their cap punishments) and then won it again...that year. And it seemed like every game started the same way. GB would score. Dallas would score(or maybe we'd jump out to a two-score lead). Then at some point, usually a pivotal point, Favre would throw a pick, Dallas would score, get the ball back at half, score, they'd have the lead and then it was 5 yards before anyone could touch Emmitt! And if you DID get them in 3rd and long, Irvin or Harper was gonna get one. BUT if you just happened to double them, then Novachek would beat you down the seem! And Jerry tries to argue this team is as talented as that one. 3-4 legit HOF caliber players on that OL(Erik Williams was as good of a RT as I've seen, Larry Allen was a top 10 all-time OL, and Newton was a freak-freak athlete). I think Barry goes for 3K a couple of years with that offense! Anyway, good catch. The Catch 2, the one that should have been a Rice fumble, was in SF as well, correct? I think it was, but...don't care to go look it up right now.