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Because sir evaluations of Carlos Rodriguez are in and he is a long way from being a top pitcher and if the White Socks plan to trade Fedde and Crochet they will need warm bodies to complete 2024 as they cannot just stop showing up to the games this season even if they want that. So Rodriguez is not much more than trade fodder in truth and if the Brewers could score a real star for him so be it. Freddy is injured . I am sure that is what we are seeing. The guy seems to be hiding an injury and you can see it in his mechanics if you compare his form as he pitches . I do not see his problem as a simple issue that will go away when he is not carrying the pitching as the headliner. Hopefully I m wrong. But the Brewers have a champion here if they get a pitcher to help the starters . And not just another body like Ross or Hall . They need a star and they cannot expect to win playoff baseball with Wilson, Rea and an possibly Injured Freddy . They need Crochet or Fedde . They need a guy who can strike out Dodgers and Philles when the lights are brightest and that means none of the pitchers on the market fit that bill. Though Fedde and Crochet sure do look like they could become that with a shot at playoff ball with a better defense behind them. There is another guy in NY who might fit the bill and he has a brother in the Bullpen already . . Tyler Megill is also going to be available at the deadline and he would be CHEAP . Put him on our roster and he could be a much more effective pitcher. time will tell . A trade of prospects would require a pitcher with more than 2024 in him as the Brewers have done to much work with prospects to trade them off right before they paid out for the franchise. Though you only get so many shots at a real world series and this team has its best shot now. So spending something this year outside of the norm is a real thing. However it has to be smart or there is no reason to do it.

But that Jesus is not even worth the effort unless he was free. He literally gives this team nothing more than Junis or ross would offer if they were healthy. Other than the left arm. Jesus is no CC Sabathia . Its Crochet or nothing really . Fedde might not be a bad option either and with a better defense behind him I would expect his numbers would jump way higher as he is a contact guy with strike out mastery who is currently suffering from a bad defense that cannot turn ground balls into outs consistently .

Where does this Tyler Black is bad at defense falsehood come from? He has one of the lowest error rate in AAA at 3rd and 1st bases and won defensive rookie of the year on defense in AAA at 3rd base. So I do not get the Tyler Black is bad at defense. If Jake Bauers is MLB ready on defense then Tyler Black is a Golden Glove by comparisons . The Brewers do not have an answer at 1st base and no matter how much the TV broadcasts say it Hoskins is not the answer and will be gone as soon as he can run at the end of the season. Jake Bauers is TERRIBLE at 1st base and is no worse than Tyler Black would be and it is dumb to keep saying something about Black or any player that is false and Tyler being "bad or without a home on defense" is False. . Now any deal that puts Jesus L on this roster for Tyler Black is a TERRIBLE move. Jesus is a overrated pitcher who gives this team not much but a left handed spot holder who is not winning playoff games for this franchise. So I would never trade a prized piece like Tyler Black for a dried up left handed pitcher who has had 2 actual good games all season off the pitching mound. Jesus is a guy I would not trade Cooper Pratt for let alone Tyler Black. I think people are forgetting how valuable Tyler Black is because he is not playing in Big ball right now but Tyler Black is All Star most years he will be in the Bigs and is not someone to just send away after this much time has been dedicated to developing him. The investment in time on Tyler is worth Crochet alone. So while the White Sox would never do such a deal for just Tyler Black that would be the only way he would be in a trade for Black in my opinion . Jesus offers nothing in value that equals a Tyler Black and no AAA player equals Jesus L. If they trade for him it will be for AA and A level players. Crochet will take more but even there Crochet is a injury risk . The White Socks want a haul for him because he has shown elite level talent. HOWEVER . Tyler Black is the same as trading a big leaguer All Star so that has to be considered. Cooper Pratt a prospect with that high end future the White Sox are desperate for and who they openly say that they are looking for in a trade player type Cooper Pratt checks all those boxes and has more high end gloss as a prospect the Brewers could survive losing without to much developmental investment put into him and both teams would feel good about that guy being moved for a pitcher like Crochet. Trade Brock Wilken at this point would also be silly and would hurt the Brewers when they lose Willy Adames next season to bad management due to not extending him for peanuts when they had the chance. In fact Wilken is good enough that trading Willy before the deadline is a living possibility despite him being the most critical player on the Crew's field in 2024. There are 3 pitchers worth trading for before the trade deadline. Crochet, Fedde (White Socks) and Tyler Megill from the Mets. Jesus would have to be near free to even consider the guy.

One other question I will ask the field of commentors. Why not start Koeing ? Let him pitch more than 2 innings and see if he can do that over the long haul? If he does not look like a starting pitcher to others he sure does to me. I would LOVE to see what he could do with a start and from what he has shown he sure looks like he would instantly be this teams 2nd best starting pitcher if Freddy keep self destructing. I cannot say for sure because I did not pay any attention to him coming up so I would love to hear what you all think on that idea. Another pitcher on the current roster and someone proving to be lights out talented and who used to be a starter until he was downgraded to the Bullpen to reestablish his career is Bryan Hudson . He has has a starters frame and his pitching is about as good as anyone in baseball right now. I would really dig it if they gave him a start to see how he would play that out over a longer period of a game. With both guys you could construct a starting pitcher with both together. Perhaps Start Koeing for the first 4 and Hudson following him as a duo that together equal one starting pitcher or in a perfect world you could pull real starters from them after a season of giving them the Duo rotation as stand alone starters in following seasons. Koeing and Hudson are stars no matter where they came from and without a cent of investment could lock down a rotation spot together to get the Brewers a high level start constantly . Another question I pose .... What would Trading Fastball Freddy bring this team? WE could haul a bunch of pitching talent by trading Freddy . It sounds like a bad idea at first. But is it?

I like Patrick and think he is overdue for a shot. He is a LOT like Colin rea in that he starts soft and works his way into the game as it unfolds. Patrick gives the Brewers another arm but I don't think he moves the needle which is why he is a AAA Nashville guy still . He had a 12 strike out game 2 weeks ago followed by a 9 and a 8 strikeout start the following two games and has been better than ever this 2024. He has to get a day in the Bigs. i do not believe he is the last option there though and the two AA guys are also well into the mix of possible staring help. Blalock especially . I think they are giving a shot to a kid tonight that could change the pitching situation with Carlos. They have Ashby too who is obviously healing well and seems to have found his confidence again . I am with you on seeing the entire group of pitching we have been developing before spending our prospects on dreams of a pitching trade saving our Series possibilities . Chad Patrick has to be the next one called up though. He has enough to play in the Bigs. I think there is 2 starting pitching openings however . I do not believe in Bryce Wilson is working out as well as his stats say. He should be replaced in the starting rotation . Other options . I think we have two relief pitchers who could start and STAR right now in Hudson and Koeing and would love to see what either pitcher would do with more innings under their belts. Hudson looks like a Diamond in the rough just waiting to be polished up. Koeing is someone who could be worked into a starting rotation with great success by the looks of him . Both of those guy are possible solutions or a combination of both . If you could get even 4 innings from one and 3 out of the other in a starting rotation the two combined would equal one diamond pitcher .

Agreed. trading for some mid level pitcher just to have another pitcher is pointless and costly. Getting a diamond pitcher on the other hand would pay dividends. However that cost in trade is probably out of reach and Crochet is the only one who give you an upgrade vs just another arm that they probably already have inhouse. If he is not better than Wilson, Ashby or Rodriguez then what is the point?

Agreed . I do not think rushing makes sense. The fact they did nothing before the season and actually though DL hall was some sort of solution is the cause of this . They obviously believe in the kids in the minors or these moves for pitching would have happened before the 2024 season happened. Misiorowski is there and I believe will make an appearance in 2024 at some point. Blalock is a really really good pitcher too. Carlos is exciting and if Ashby keeps improving like he has he will be a starting Brewers pitcher sooner rather than later. They have enough to be smart about this. You are not wrong.

depends on cost. If it is wildly expensive I do not think they should do it.

I do not see that as a way to fix anything . Low A trades do not produce Diamond pitching which is what the Brewers need. They have more than enough guys to get through 2024 and still make a playoff and win the Central . Getting mid level pitchers that cost low A prospects alone is pointless because we have that level of pitching already. It would change nothing and remove people the Brewers are invested in for people they are not. Crochet makes sense because he still has 2 years of control that comes with him. Tyler Megill comes with the rest of 2024 and into 25 before Arbitration eligibility. But most of the rest of Available pitchers come with nothing but loss. They have to do something to improve the starting pitching because this team is the best Brewers team in a long long time and wasting this opportunity would be hard to take. However i believe there are several solutions that cost nothing to explore inhouse. I think giving Carlos Rodriguez, Ashby, Blalock, even Misiorowski a shot before they make the move is smart. This team has time to wait for the deadline and not push this to happen right now. In that time seeing if your own developmental pitching group can give this team that added boost it is looking for is only the proper move to make right now. Then sign that guy in Mexico for nothing and you really have something here. Perhaps a World Series for the first time in my life . Winning matters more than silly personal grudges .

I do not believe that we should spend on pitching to deeply as . We are where we are today because we are smart with our prospects and grow our own talent and do not trade it off right before the payoff with the player almost ready for the Bigs. So while I do want a pitcher and want to win this season with THIS offense as bad as the next guy I do not think trading off the Brewers next 10 years of developmental stars to get to that this season is probably the wrong move. Crochet from the White Socks is a really really good pitcher who has everything the Brewers covet in a pitcher. I think he becomes a Cy Young winner in our system or any system for that matter as long as his arm holds together. That being said the current buzz surrounding him is driving his price up. That and every single start he makes drives him up the value chart because even after missing his entire career 2024 happened and now we are looking at a possible Diamond and he is currently second in baseball in strike outs. His 3.33 ERA would be much better if he had a team to defend the bases and he has 2 years of arbitration left to come along with him . If the Brewers had made this trade a month ago they could have gotten him for prospects like Weimer, Owen Miller and players like that and none of them would be players Brewers fans would have missed. NOW however Crochet is going to cost Tyler Black, Cooper Pratt, Zach Green, Aaron Ashby and then some. So I call that not worth the investment . Simply put Crochet does fix our pitching issue. He give the Brewers a headliner they do not have now. However leave the blockbusters that gut the Farm to teams who never win games as usual. Or teams who can afford to lose the Farm for one player like the Yankees. Crochet is now so overpriced I doubt he is ever a Brewer. Tyler Megill of the NY Mets would be an option who could also give the Brewers a trade partner for pitching that would not cost the world to get. His brother has been nothing but a success here and having Tyler and Trevor on the same team would be wildly entertaining. Tyler is holding a 3.00 ERA now for the Mets as a starter and is soon to break out as one of the better starting pitchers in baseball. This is being overshadowed by the fact the Mets are TERRIBLE but Megill would be a pitcher the Brewers would not have to pay through the nose to acquire and would have a huge window to fit in here with his brother already in this Bullpen. I believe the press would be very good and the brothers together would be one of the best stories going into a post season run . Tyler is much like his brother in size. They pitch differently a bit with Tyler of course having more pitches than his brother as a starter but both are towering over 6'7'' tall and it would be fun to see them both in Brewers colors this season and into the future. He is Arbitration eligible in 2025. He would be a name you are not hearing a lot about in 2024 trade rumors who could fit here super well . Jesus Luardo is OVERRATED and Miami want to much for him. Even though he is big talk in the trade rumor mill I do not love him as a solution and his 5.30 ERA is on him and not the team behind him. I do not see him as any solution for this Brewers team and they should not even pick up the phone unless he is near free. Eric Fedde is that other pitcher from the White Sox who would be an available starter the Brewers could trade for and he is pretty good despite all the hype around Crochet overshadowing Fedde is still having a pretty good season . Holding 3.10 ERA and is a strike out king. 77 strike outs is not bad . Much better than anyone currently on the Brewers not named Freddy. Like Crochet his ERA numbers would dive lower if he had a defense like ours behind him. I think this would be a pitcher we could get for next to nothing who could pay off in a big way in a playoff push. He is no solution but if you acquired he and Megill the pitching room would instantly be in a great spot come playoff time and those two trades would not completely gut our farm system like Jesus and Crochet would cost to acquire. Trades are great and all but the truth is the future of the Brewers pitching is NOT coming in a blockbuster trade. The future of the Brewers pitching is already here on our Farm rosters. Misiorowski is ready, Blalock is ready, Rodriguez is super ready .Ashby sure looked good and is almost there with shoulder rehab. The chance the Brewers fans are screaming for the Brewers to take should only be taken AFTER they make sure those kids they have already cannot do the job. The Brewers have golden pitching in the Farms right now. Carlos Rodriguez could come up tonight and never leave. That is the kind of potential he has. Misiorowski could be a Superstar Diamond the day he walks onto an MLB mound. Blalock is a stud already and has a lot more to give and simply does not walk batters and could help this 2024 team win big games if he got a shot and is already on the 40 man. The Brewers have a Farm group they could use to trade off and help win now like you suggest . However they have just as much of a chance to correct the pitching issues inhouse and we as fans should give them every opportunity to do that.

I do not care what you think of the guy there is only one pitcher worth signing and ONE who would not cost us our future to acquire. . PERIOD . He is the best pitcher available for the least money . I do not care if you do not like the guy or do not agree but this crap needs to stop and that guy needs to be pitching at the highest level because he a true STUD who has not one criminal charge against him and all the other reasons are completely made up by people who simply disagree with him . I do not care . Sign The Pitcher who cannot be named and stop being hyperbolic. There is nothing the man has done to keep him out of baseball and I am sick of hearing all the made up silly reasons all you who hate the man use to keep him out of baseball for NO REAL REASON! All I ask of those of you who have a problem with the man is to STOP trying to get in the way of it! Your own personal bias is not good enough! There is nothing ! NOTHING the man has EVER done that should keep him out of baseball and you have had your soapbox for far to long on this topic~! I WANT TO WIN A WORLD SERIES ! Trevor would help us do that . GROW UP!

So far AAA has been the gift that keeps on giving. Keoing is a stud, Paredes are bullpen stars of the 2024 season . Healthy Gasser, Heck I did not dislike the development I saw from Ashby already. Rodriguez could be the best one yet and I have wanted to see him in the MLB in the worst way because I believe his stuff plays better up than down with the robots. Everyone should be glued to this kids Tuesday night coming up party.. It will be good!

ABS is forcing pitching fundamentals though so I get it from that aspect. It truly narrows the zone in a learning sense for pitchers who are working on control as young prospects. In fact I would support a ABS in high A and AA so pitchers are forced to really learn to work the zone . Then when you hit AAA they should use the challenge system. This will leave less of a big change from AAA to MLB Show level play and get these guy more prepared for the MLB and its wild west approach to Balls and Strikes. Still while still working with a newer idea on how challenge bad calls at the plate and not screwing with the heads of young players facing this. ABS is a bad way to prepare pitchers and batters for the Show but is a good way to get the wild out of a young pitchers game by force. So splitting the two systems up between the levels is a better way to help manage prospect development in my view.

Great call back . Yes is was actually the truth for a lot of these guys . I think they should use the challenge system down there because it keeps the chase in the game more . We all want good calls at the plate. I think we are learning that the ABS system makes it less of a game . The challenge system is beloved and fits without changing baseball fundamentally like ABS. I think the AAA league needs to pick one or the other though because making them split between both each week stinks and is screwing with these heads of both batters as well as pitchers and they have enough on their plate with a transition to the Show. I think ABS made Tyler Blacks first call up less successful than it would have been had he gotten more practice with an MLB zone . I think Gasser was just figuring out that he could stretch the zone before he got shelved. So if AAA is the big preparation for the Show that is supposed to be it should not be using anything differently than the Bigs and they should experiment in A and AA until they figure it out. I think Carlos Rodriguez can be a much better pitcher in the Show than in AAA Nashville and I have since I first laid eyes on him. With the way he attacks the corners and with movement his stuff should have a higher success rate off the eye of the ump than of the ABS computers. I do not have a clue if Rodriguez is ready for this step . However if he is we are looking at a guy that is going to electrify and excite more Brewers fans. I like watching him pitch. A lot and I think you all will too. He is young and raw and that is something but in 2024 it seems youth is revitalizing the league. This guys call up opens doors for AA pitchers to move up and get one step closer to helping this Brewers team win a Pennant. I am looking at you Misiorowski ! Thanks for listening to my long windedness Go Crew !

No really because the sinker is a off speed pitch to counter a fastball and a cutter is just a fastball variant that has the same release as the 4 seam while the Sinker comes out with a slightly different wrist angle and grip yet still looks the alike to other pitches .

Baseball was about Booze, Boobies in the stands, Chewing tobacco, big homers in big games and beating the crap out of pitchers who hit you with a ball. If a kid threw 103 miles an hour he would never have been in farm ball and would instantly be in the running for rookie of the year day one. If he pitched to wild he would get beat up by a batter and would learn not to pitch wild. This coddling way is producing soft pitchers. Let the kid play.

Well this aged badly in a short time. YES call the man up! There are pitchers all over the MLB right now who are young and inexperienced torching batters . Ben Brown is that proof if you ever needed it. Misiorowski is a Skenes like pitcher with more pitches than Ben Brown has and Jacobs stuff plays hotter than almost anyone besides Skenes and they are very similar pitchers. Had we lost MeGill last night this is a sure thing . Bring him up and see what he can do . It does not hurt that much to have to pull the plug and reset if it does not play out. Misiorowski is just to good to be lurking in AA . On paper waiting sounds reasonable and all but look at the league right now . Teams are bringing up their pitching from young ages and they are flame throwers . Mis is not different and probably the best one out of the entire young gun batch which is why is baseballs #1 prospect in the entire NL. there is no reason to ever leave a pitcher down who is as good as Misiorowski . If he had a terrible problem to work out then yes but he is not that guy. What Mis does right is as good as any starter in the Bigs today. He can take his 3 learned pitches and use them to destroy teams at this level and holding him down is not a need in 2024 . This is not 1990 and we are not talking about Charley Wild thing Sheen from Major league. Misiorowski already has more than 95% of all pitchers currently pitching in the Bigs. Skenes and Ben Brown showed that these guys who can hit their mark with speed and lift can make up for a lack of extra pitches by using placement of what they do well and at least one counter pitch to that heat. Skenes showed you why. Now Ben Brown with his two pitches showed you why we need this guy pitching up here now. Anything he needs to learn he can learn it up here and if if goes bad(highly doubt it will) we can always reset things and get him back down if needed . You do not waste 103MPH . He may lose a mile per hour every season for the next couple if they over coach him now. Lets see what he can do up here before we say we know for sure that he cannot do it. He flamed through Spring Training batters like a blaze. Made Gasser look like he was not as good as he was in side by side action and that is very hard to do. Lets have it. Why wait?

Call me Apes . I am no divinity. I like Bauers and think picking up his cash option is not definitive reasons to leave him in AAA especially with Hoskins on the mend this whole time. I do not mind Bauers at all . What i do mind is the other 1st baseman who has no business being in the Majors. Owen Chipmunk Miller is a bad baseball player. Tyler Black has 1000 at bats in AAA . So how many more do you want him to have before he is considered ready? There is no world were Oliver Dunn or Owen Miller belong on this roster with Tyler Black batting for the Sounds. joey Weimer was up here all season basically and what a huge waste that guy is . In no world does Tyler Black rank under those guys . his bat is as live as any on this roster right now and the man has 1000 at bats in the minors already . Keeping him there any longer means he will never be good enough in the Brewers minds and they see him not as a future star but as another piece to trade off or Monasterio him through his career forever. Tyler Black deserves to play. They are doing him no favors now at 1000 at bats playing in system with challenges to balls and strikes . he has only a few offensive things to learn and those things only come at the highest level . Figuring out a completely different strike zone is really the only thing Tyler has left to master on that side of the ball . I have no reason to move him back to outfield like this article says but him as a 3rd and 1st as the guy who can play either with Owen Miller optioned someplace and Dunn working on his stuff down in AAA. Why is Dunn up here and Tyler Black not? It makes 0 sense.

power. The most completely over spoken of feature of any players game. Black has power. But that is not who he will ever be. He is not developing power. He is the fastest man on the field. He is another Turang or even Chourio . He has plenty of home run ability . His Del a Cruz speed is what makes him something special . He clocks faster than Del a Cruz on a clock timer. So no matter what power he has he can drive ball opposite field all day. His .227 batting in just 22 MLB at bats is not who Black is as a hitter and he has plenty of big ball ability right now. More than most MLB starters . Not to mention he is currently batting .280 with 40 hits .862 ops . 6 homers. 7 stolen bags . His career batting is almost the exact same as that over 911 at bats. So this idea he is a .224 hitter is a myth and had he been left up here his MLB average would have caught up to his ability in a short time. He is a .280's hitter at his base and can take that WAY WAY up with time. Tyler Black has the 3rd faster ball hit speed of the Brewers season with his 2nd hit dinger on his call up night. So I won't listen to people who still say Tyler Black does not have enough power to play in the Bigs because it simply is not even close to true.

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I do not agree with this . WE get power from weirdo places like Shortstop unlike most teams. We can handle Black hitting .330 and not having extreme power from 1st base. Bauers and Black are very similar in power . Black is a better hitter than Bauers. Black gives the Brewers a faster baserunner than anyone on the current roster which is insane. He and De La Cruz are the two best base runners in the entire sport in the world. His 55 stolen bases and 55 doubles hits last year is proof enough for me plus I think he scored 12 triples in 2023. Plus I do not believe Hoskins opts out. He is not in that position and this injury proved that he will have to get through both years here to be trusted with a large $ plus he seems to like it here. Why do all Brewers fans only believe the only moves are the most hurtful and will always happen? Let it play out before you make plans off that .

You do not leave bats this good in purgatory because of arbitration. The Brewers are a team good enough to win real things. They need every bat they can get to compete with the Dodgers, Royals, and Phillies of the world. I do not have a good feel for how to inject Black into 2024 but I know he is much more helpful as a Brewer than he is a Sounds.

The trouble with Tyler is he is a bad defensive player by comparison to even our most subpar clingers . However his bat is as good as the top 4 bats on the Brewers currently. So finding him a spot outside of bats is really complicated. He is not terrible but there are better defenders on the roster . I do not know if we can find a spot for him in 2024. He has a bat worth having though so it makes it very hard to ignore him again. Garrett Mitchell coming back also complicates things. I also think we will know more about it after the trade deadline. i am not giving up on Adames yet. He is not gone until he is gone and he really wants to stay put. So anything can happen.

Why not? He is a battered body who could thrive as a fulltime DH . he does not have to be a fulltime DH to bring Black up and leave him here. YES SO VERY MUCH YES . Tyler Black in AAA does this team no good and he is almost as good of a bat as William C . We are holding one of baseballs best bats in AAA while Owen Miller and Monasterio mull around in the Bigs doing 0 . YES Bring BLACK up now and leave him up here. He is not going to learn how to be a good pro in AAA . He has to learn how to hit again without a challenge system to correct bad pitches. That is the big thing batters need to relearn after coming out of system that works vs a system that doesn't. Why would Yelich need to be a permanent DH to accommodate Black? As far as I know Black is still playing 1st base and that versatility of being in and out is worth more than Owen Miller. Tyler Black is a really good player who could bat .300 with a bit of work. We are talking about this as outfield but there is very little hope for him out there this season without injury. Garett Mitchell is coming back this year and he is a dynamo outfielder. Tyler Black will not be an outfielder in 2024 God willing. But he has a place up in the Bigs in 2024 just with his bat. If we can leave Owen Miller lurking around the clubhouse like a overgrown Chipmunk in pants Tyler Black should be here too.

All of you who were upset about this are CRAZY . Airbender was a better closer and was ready and this entire team got built that day.