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I think they got Durbin to start not platoon. I think he is a plan just like Joey was last year. I think Turang is SS.

I think the Media wants Ortiz to Short and Arnold and Murphy want Turang at Short. So we will probably get Caleb Durbin there after Spring for all we know and leave Turang and Ortiz at the spots they looked to be perfect for after all. We could see Sal at 2nd or 3rd and that would make a lot of sense. Sal is still a projected plus defender infield and I think he excels infield if given the chance.

Agreed . I think if anyone projects to moving to the bullpen its Woody. If you are counting pitches till his arm goes again the best usage may be moving that guy to a bullpen role as he nurtures his ailing right wing. We all want starting Woody back but I just cannot believe he comes back the same pitcher after all of this. If he proves me wrong I welcome it and will cheer that all the way to a Pennant but if it all blows up and Woody is not able to pitch much every again I would not be shocked either. I think projecting him anywhere before we see him pitch again is a longshot prediction. As far as i am concerned the guy is not going to be in the 2025 lineup but I leave room to be amazed.

Well I do not. Civale is a bad pitcher in my eyes with this his last chance to make it look better than it would have without Brewers pitching coaches aiding him along through his last real shot at improving himself before retirement forces his hand. My biggest issue is that Civale gives up a ton of home runs. That is not going away. He is well past his prime and is not a serious pitching answer as an MLB pitcher for anyone anymore. And I am telling you my bias has nothing to do with that giant can he has on the backside in baseball pants which shows his lack of f's given for keeping himself in top pitching shape as a pro more than anything but i digress. I think the people who are pro Civale are those who only caught the end of the time he had here which was much improved from his first starts as a Brewer. As i remember each start for Civale were struggle days for the Brewers and it never actually looked good when he did figure it out. Only slightly better and this team is much too good to settle for someone as uninspiring as Aaron Civale when younger more talented pitchers sit just below the surface and who are more than ready to take on the Bigs. His only real improvement as a Brewer was that he ditched the pre pitch action with his hands while. Which were obvious accidental pitch tipping habits he had picked up and were causing him to get homered on often . Outside of that correction he still gives up way to many runs and is not a guy you want to use in playoff baseball if you can help it. Civale is not a good starting pitcher and is holding on to reliveance by the skin of his teeth. I just cannot get on board because I have watched him pitch over the past couple seasons and when I do its ugly most nights. I wish he was a high value vet with a lot of baseball ahead of him for the Crew. I don't see that as true however.. The only value Civale holds in my opinion is a guy who can pitch the opening month until Misiorowski and Henderson shows what Myers and Gasser showed last season at about the same point. When the call ups happen it will spell the end of Aaron Civale as a Brewers starter and then they can trade him or they can dabble with trying him in the Bullpen like they did in the playoffs. It seemed to be a good fit then Now if you believe he can transition to the Bullpen and give relief innings that are effective is another topic I may be more willing to entertain but as a starter I am much more willing to give his spot to the kids like Henderson,Hall or Misiorowski from day one and let them work out the young moments early in the season so they are honed for late season games of meaning and the Brewers have picked the best of the group to enter a good starting group. The Brewers never do that though. They always wait on rookie pitchers for the first month before they call up the youngster starters and that is where Civale fits in and where you find his value. He is disposable in all ways which is valuable in many ways. If the kids look too raw still he can stay and take up innings until they find a different replacement for him because he is not a serious option as a starter on a team with these aspirations. . When a players best quality offered becomes expendability you are always looking to improve that guy off the roster as a fan and as a baseball executive. I also think the Brewers are not done signing Star starting pitching. I believe they will land Sasaki (I actually believe this lol) and that will leave Civale as a man without a home. His time here is limited but that is the case with 3 of our starting lineup already so it is familiar territory with the Brewers brass. Whatever happens Civale is good to have around for now. There is 0 need to rush into a trade now. His time to go will be in the coming season or somewhere after January 13th. Whatever happens with the guy I just want to thank you for giving me baseball topics to think and talk about . I am mid baseball withdrawal and every conversation is better than talking about how bad the NFL has become or what the Bucks are doing or not doing. The truth is I just want baseball back and I thank you for posing a topic worth talking about.

and I still count Woodruff as out until he proves something I do not believe he can after this many surgerys to his throwing arm. So I am with you on the idea that Woodruff is probably no longer a starter even if he comes back and can get through a season. The Bullpen would make a lot of sense for him as well.

I do not know about the "incredible value" part of Civale but as it sits he is the 5th pitcher in the rotation. . IF Freddy is #1 and Cortez the #2, #3Tobias Myers is not behind Civale in the rotation and could still be the best pitcher in the rotation all over again, DL Hall and Misiorowski have a real shot at the in the starting rotation and will probably be in and out of the mix all season long if not a huge part of it. This puts Civale out or at most the 5th rotation guy. Yes it has value but great value I do not see. Civale is one of 50 pitchers like him who just take up innings and give up insane amounts of home runs to hitters as stopgap players who do not have the talent to be good or great and sit right in that Okay range. He is not bad but he is as close to bad as you can get without being bad and it only takes one season of aging to put a player like him in that Bad category. So unless you see value in him as a Bryce Wilson reliever type player I do not see the great value in keeping Civale around long term other than a pitcher who bides time until Hall and Mis get their starting game together for the big show. Also when we sign Sasaki on that January 13th date when he becomes available Civale becomes even more of a trade piece or a planned bullpen guy in 2025. When or if Sasaki signs here many things will fall into place including the idea of what to do with Aaron Civale. Unless they plan to bullpen Civale I do not see great value in a guy who just flat out gives up that more runs than anyone else and who has lost most of what made him good at this point in his career outside of a stopgap who is keeping a seat warm for youngsters like Sasaki, Mis, Hall and Gasser. Civale is not a big part of the plan at all and is one of the least important players in the pitching room right now. No matter how it plays out in 2025 I highly doubt Civale falls to the end of the season as any part of the Brewers roster unless he excels in the bullpen. He is a good guy to keep around until they get Hall and Mis worked into the rotation and has not much value at all if this Sasaki thing plays out. If they can get anything for Civale they should do it. He is just not good enough to spend too much energy thinking about and there are already better options on the roster who can take up innings as starters who can actually become better players.

I think Sal is already 4th outfield. Even with the GG. I think the outfield is Yelich, leftfield Perkins/Mitchell center with ,Chourio/Sal in Right. Though I still feel Sal moves infield this season even with Durbin being on board. I think Sal will get a shot at 3rd base in Spring and I believe he wins that job because he is great infield and has been wasted in the outfield since they moved him there. If you think his outfield play is stellar you should see what he can do on the infield! The guy is a defensive dynamo and should be an infielder. So in my mind he is still kinda in that 4th outfielder spot which the Brewers constantly rotate so no one player is locked into any outfield spot. I know we forget about Yelich a lot outfield but he is still the best player on this roster and he plays outfield so his spot is a lock as he will not be a perminate DH just yet even if he should be. I think we need to look at the rotation much different than most teams as the rotation of players through outfield as a massive strength of the Crew. Not having any locked into place outfielders gives the Brewers the most vestitle outfield in the majors. I like that not one player is locked into having to start out there for any one reason. Not even a Golden Glove locks Sal into that permanently and that is a good thing. I get what you are saying and I agree with it for the most part. I do believe however that just because Sal won a Golden Glove does it does not lock him into for being the 3rd outfielder day one. In fact his Golden Glove award to me shows me more that he is being wasted in the outfield and that Sal belongs infield with the playmakers. I believe Sal makes a Platinum Golden Glover candidate for 2nd or 3rd base if he moved infield same as if you leave him outfield. I also think his hitting power is going to show itself in 2025 like never before on top of all that unsureness on defense positioning. I expect a huge season from Sal in 2025. After the smoke clears the Sal haters are going to be swimming in regret. After Sal puts in a full 2025 no one will be able to downplay who he is as a Star in his own right. We will all see just how much value that guy adds to this franchise by seasons end. If it all plays out as I believe, Sal is going to have his big breakout season this year no matter where he plays defense and when it's over we are all going to be much bigger Sal Freilick fans. Dammit I just want baseball back.

The level of disrespect given to Perkins is madness. Perkins is proven Golden Glove level outfield and is one of this teams most dependable players. Switch hitter with lots to still do in this league. Perkins belongs on this roster and all the haters of the man need to stop it already! The guy is fun as hell to watch play and he is the best hitter we have against left handed pitching. There is no world where Tyler Black is more valuable than Blake Perkins. Blake is one of our best up and coming players and he always helps this team win . I hate stat seekers who just do not watch the games enough to grade value of players. Those are the folks who belittle Perkins and Sal more than any group and because Stats are what the media deems most important. What they do is help build the fallacy of negative value in these type of players. You win with guys like Blake, Sal and Brice Turang because you developed them to fit the needs of the current franchise. Tyler Black is not that. He is a guy who just could not come up when all the other talent came up because he just is not as good as they were. The group we just brought over the past two seasons does(unlike Black) fit the needs of the franchise and Blake Perkins is a big part of that. I enjoy watching Blake Perkins and see him as nothing but a huge benefit to this team and I think fans of this Crew need to take a step back and reevaluate many of the names on this roster that you have written off as not worthy because they are the heart and soul of this baseball team.

where would the 2025 Brewers get any power hitting from if Hoskins is traded? The onfield lack of power hitting on this roster right now says moving your only sure 25 homer hitter seems to be a massive mistake. I think Hoskins will have a much better 2025 than his 2024 and will be needed through the coming season if this team has plans to compete. His money was planned out before they signed him. This franchise does not do money without massive planning beforehand so this idea they screwed up bad is press created and not really real.

The only trade here that makes sense is if the A's need to bolster their $ situation and require a investment to make things right for their money situation. There is no trading out of the Hoskins issue otherwise. He cost too much and did too little in 2024 to ever bring in the trade value needed to get past the investment. Hoskins fills a need the Brewers do not have in place to replace. Hoskins bat is the most powerful on the team and he and everyone else is hoping for a better 2025 but that is a mystery to everyone and may not happen. Hoskins could be washed out an incapable of getting better at this stage of his career. The signing was a good one if Hoskins had played at Philly levels because he would have optioned out of the 2025 part of the contract which was always the plan there. Hoskins 2024 was not terrible though paying him 20 million dollars for it was. Whatever baseball has cooked up with the L.V A's(that still sounds insane to say) it is the ONLY longshot chance to get out of this contract situation and that to me sounds like it will never happen even if the A's are violating the amount of money they are carrying. If the Brewers somehow spin this Hoskins contact into the acquisition of Brent Rooker all while moving this extremely expensive contract to the A's payroll it would go down as one of the most savvy moves in baseball history. How it happens would be impossible to understand but that is the current state of professional baseball in 2025. Nothing makes sense.

Well who knows? I have a hunch Williams is much more popular than Cobin Burns was last offseason and at these meetings there are almost every MLB team trying to talk to Arnold about what it would take to acquire him. Simply put the Brewers have not had a value trade piece this meaningful since Hader. If they wait or if this goes down this week will simply come to the offers made. My question is about Sasaki and Crochet who sound like the Crew is actively attempting to put onto the 2025 roster.

Peguero is a Cub. So that is not really helping the Crew much.

Civale is probably not going anywhere. Murphy really likes him and unless the Brewers fall flat in 2025 and trade him at the deadline in firesale Big Butt pitcher is part of the 2025 pitching rotation. Even if they sign Sasaki which I believe is coming on the 15th of the new year they still need starting pitching with experience to hold down the rotation until the younger prospects become regular MLB names through 2025 and 2026 so players like Civale . Garrett Crochet is also being worked on to get a trade with the Sox and I still do not believe they move on from Civale if this happens along with Sasaki. Civale is a good fit in Milwaukee and he fills a great need with Wilson, Rea, and Montez being left to the market and not being on the 2025 Brewers roster. Rea is a bigger loss than we all want to admit and keeping ahold of the vet pitching the roster currently carries is the only way to mitigate this lack of F's given to resigning Colin Rea. I think this Crew has plans we the fan do not yet understand at pitcher. The foreseeable future in the starting rotation will require signings this offseason to make this rotation whole enough to compete at the highest levels. Sasaki, Bauer, and Crochet are all in the mix of possibilities and our farm pitching has a part to play in the 2025 rotation but it seems less ready to produce a pitcher or two for the starting rotation as it was in 2024 with Myers and Gasser. In 2025 Misiorowski could take a big step into the bigs with a strong Spring Training period he could be a guy who starts like Gasser did in 2024. Myers freak breakout season was never part of the plan for 2024 but without him this team was not even close to almost beating them Mets. The Crew need some help from Farms to make 2025 work and I am not sure they have the rookie power they had in 2024. Time will tell.

I think this is not even close to out of the realm of possibility. The Brewers were major players in Imanaga last season and I really think this sounds like a place that would tempt Sasaki. I do not even think it is that much of a reach or long shot. The Brewers are a very good place for him to come. He would be a legend here and would be loved instantly. The boost to the fanbase and team would start this offseason aglow. Hell the fanbase might even start believing in this franchise. At least he has us paying attention. I will give him that.

None of that crap means anything . Imanaga was a sure bet to go there too and he ended in Chicago right behind the Brewers who almost landed him. This is not a sure thing. This guy likes the situation small market teams offer for now. I think the Brewers have a great shot at landing him. As good as any other team.

I do not agree at all. I think he won't sign with the Dodgers or Yankees. he cannot get paid big money because he is not 25 yet. He dislikes major media markets and wants to sign with a team who is famous for developing pitching. The guy has said he wants a small market team with a great pitching staff and a chance to win championships. That is the Brewers especially if they sign players like this. Every team has the same shot at him. The big money teams do not have the advantage this time around. It really comes down to a Manager and GM who sells him on the fit. The Brewers have everything he wants from the MLB. A small media footprint who will be fair to him, a fanbase who is starving for a champion, a NEED for an ace. The best pitching coach in the Bigs and a defense behind him with Gold and Platinum to keep the ERA low. i think this might be a more realistic idea than anyone believes. We missed Imanaga on a flip of a coin remember. The coin flip went to the Cubs but something tells me that means its our turn.

I have a strange feeling about this one. I think what he wants from The Show (as he has stated publicly) pretty much sounds just like the Brewers. Small media market that is not harsh to its team. A contender that is one great player away from magic. Postseason ball for him to make a name off of. The best pitching coach in baseball known for making good pitchers great. A great defense behind him and even a rivalry within the division that could continue after Imanaga chose the Cubs last season. It just seems like a perfect place to come to the MLB 2 years before a big payday and get his game dialed in for the big payday. As well as to come and play some really meaningful innings in the meantime. It sounds almost like it could be so. I know not to expect these things to ever work out for us. This time though... The fit is better here for him than anywhere in baseball. If this is about baseball and nothing else I think the Brewers pitch here will carry massive weight and could end up landing this gem. Since it is never just about baseball we will just have to wait and see. He would be a fun addition. He has a lot to offer baseball and the Brewers need a guy like this more than anything because we have 0 idea what Woodruff can actually do and we need a star pitcher ever since he went down . Freddy is not the guy and Tobias while great probably is a #2 here. Mis is a shot at something special but a definite question mark. Sasaki could lead a nice looking rotation here and use this franchise as a home to launch himself into the Cy Young future he holds and possibly win a World Series making him a legend and a hero which I see no other franchise being able to offer. Matt Arnold .. Make it so! I think we need to visualize this into reality as a fanbase. If any of you out there have to sacrifice a chicken, your wife or first born to make favor with your God so we can make this reality . . Brewers nation .. I'm not saying you should do that.. but if that is what your religion calls for so we can get nice things too... Well drastic times and all .. For now I will just keep those fingers crossed. However Matt Arnold must be careful. If he makes this real and brings this man into the fold he may just get this fanbase to believe in the Brewers.

The Brewers will need pitching help . Probably not from the international marketplace as there really is nothing worth getting that won't cost Dodger money to pull off. The Crew is really counting on Hall and Misiorowski to be real and dominate starters who can do more than an inning a game. Yoho is coming and there is 0 need for our #20 prospect (***) not to be on the roster day one inn 2025. The guy has all MLB level pitches already and never throws balls. The guy is so much better than #20 . I really am just pumped about the prospects on this team coming up as much as who they may acquire. The answer to Willy Adames is not in Free Agency . Cooper Pratt is the Shortstop who was promised and watch his hype video Crew. That guy is not going to suck. Jesus Made is hype. Cooper Pratt is the next great Shortstop and that means no resigning Willy unless we move him to 3rd and pay him less than anyone. I love Willy Adames and think this team gets much worse without the guy but signing him with Pratt in the wings is a mistake. Willy will never have a season as good as 2024 again in his career. He has peaked and his defense is *******. 2025 may be a season like 2023 . Aa group of guys who win but have very little to offer as a threat in truth. The prospects are years away from the Brewers and that includes Pratt who won't be making big boy ball until 2026 or 27 despite his talent being at the top of the Rosters all the way up I believe the Crew will hold Pratt down a little longer than anyone wants to be sure he hits the Bigs with a winners chance. I would love to see them Chourio Pratt and just play through his growing up phase but 2024 is just to young and could set him back if called up that early so it would be best to not play with that future even if it is very tempting.

Perfecto !

He was fun to watch until he got hurt . Tobias Myers got his big break moment off this injury and while I am a huge Gasser fan I would not have traded Myers 2024 for Gassers. I wish Gasser had worked his arm into shape instead of doing a surgery without a tear. I wish we had him in 2025 but that ship has sailed with a surgery . I call this a huge failure by the Brewers not to have caught this issue much earlier in Gasser's career and made him work it into shape so this did not happen. Time will tell but the Hader deal sure seems to get stinky each time we loose another piece we traded him for and the years off Gassers Brewers career cannot be ignored.

They will be . Let them develop all the way . Remember these kids are just puppies. They have yet to grow into their big boy bodies. Sal's power is so close to here. Bryce also has more homers in him . both will be dynamic base stealers for their whole lives.

I do not agree on this point. Their are no massive holes in Milwaukee. The SS /3rd base issue has more than one in house cure. the Brewers need to pool more talent for the coming years more this offseason than any other thing. They need a handful of pieces at the Bigs but nothing so major as to call it a hole in the team. Sal can play a good 3rd base and his power is just arriving.

Adding a power hitting SS is not happening . Ortiz is probably moving there and 3rd is the open zone though I still think Sal plugs in there perfectly or leave Ortiz at 3rd and move Bryce to SS and Sal to 2nd. Sal is a good infielder. What the Brewers need is help in Barn league. They are moving so many pieces up that the well is a bit dry down there right now. I think they have more development coming from the Brat Pack. Turang, Ortiz and Sal are all going to start finding more power this coming season and look more like big league hitters after the 2025 season is done. I have faith in this group to continue developing . the Barn league needs restocking and that should come from Devin Williams .

Is he really any better than Monasterio at 3rd anyways? At best he is a Hoskins 2024 all the time at 3rd base . I am not a fan of this guy for our situation at all.

no . Craig Yoho is coming and that will be more than enough. I think we could do way better than that with Williams . They should be able to get stud bats for the guy along with pitching help. We can use so many of our own guys to close games. We are not the rest of baseball . We have closer level pitching all over the place.