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Just curious, in 10 pages of "discussion" over this topic. Has anyone changed their opinion about how they feel about it? From my point of view. Seeing something like Kirk Gibson pumping his fist as he's rounding second (long after the ball has hit the stands) or even seeing Braun and Hall do their high five fist pump celebration as Braun got to the dugout steps makes me smile as a fan. I can feel the pride and excitment for the team. Standing and staring (please don't point out that he was walking towards first..whatever) at your "not yet" HR seems like an act of individuality and elicits absolutly no sense of pride for the team in me. Obviously there are others who enjoy watching a player do this.

Ok, first of all, When I read this I thought geez Schlitz, this contridicts what you said earlier about honking at people. Then I realized, it was Blatz that said that, not Schlitz (silly me). Anyways, as I mentioned, I tend to be on the aggressive side when I drive. Whether I was a half hour ahead of schedule or a half hour behind, I would still be agressive. It really has little to do with whether I'm late or not. A lot of it also has to do with the volume of traffic, and if you are not use to driving in rush hour conditions it's hard to understand this. Most of the time (unless there is an accident that has put everything at a stand still) I drive much faster during rush hour than if I was on an empty freeway in the middle of nowhere. There is an unwritten agreement during rush hour that everyone in the left hand lane does at least 75 and sometimes 80+. Occasionally you get the guy that does not really understand this "agreement" and wanders into the left lane talking on his cell phone and driving 63 while a line of cars piles up behind him. This causes cars behind him to start switching lanes and weaving in and out in search of an opening to get in front of the "slow" guy. This in turn increases the chances of an accident happening. If people would understand the lane they "belong" in during rush hour, there would be much less accidents and things would go much smoother. Of course, the Zoo interchange messes this up because of the left hand exits. It shouldn't matter though, if slower drivers who are taking the left side exit would just realize that they do not need to get in that lane 5 miles ahead of time. If I get up for an early t-time on a Saturday and I'm on the freeway at 6:30am, I put the cruise on about 5 mph over the speed limit and stay in middle or right lane as cars occasionally fly by me. Much greater chance of getting a ticket in that situation.

Oh come on. I think there is a reasonable thought that comes to everyone's mind when we talk about someone showing their emotions or getting excited. Standing and admiring your ball flying through the air is not an act of emotion, it's an act of?narcissism.??Is this what you picture when someone tells you about an emotional speech that they heard:

He's standing (or walking slowly - same thing), while the ball is in the air. Objective not over. Put your head down and run. Afther the ball has cleared the fence, then get excited. In all fairness. Looking at that video, he did not really come close to "posing" and it appeared he was unsure if it was going to be fair or foul. Ok, here's another video. Bobby Thompson's shot heard around the world. No posing. He runs and shows excitement. This was to win a championship! Not a series in the middle of the season:

I don't consider a batter posing (walking slowly or just standing there..it's bascially still posing) to be a show of emotion. Emotion is something that comes naturally. Posing like that is not a natural thing to do and has to be somewhat thought about. Emotion to me is pumping your fist and showing excitement. A blank stare is not emotion.

First of all, again, K-Rod has completed his objective when he "celebrates" and he's showing excitement, not posing. Secondly, why do we keep bringing up what others do and comparing it to what Braun did? It sounds like my son. So and so is allowed to say swear words, and so and so doesn't have to make his bed. Do you want to be like so and so, or do you want to be better than so and so?

Two different things. I prefer the latter over the former.

There are differences between a guy posing when hitting a HR and a pitcher getting excited after getting the 3rd out. The pitcher has completed the task. The batter is posing before the ball has even landed. I don't think I would have a big issue with Braun or any other hitter who got excited and pumped their fists and shouted "Whoo, hoooo....yessss" or whatever as they are rounding the bases, after the ball has safely cleared the fence (ala Kirk Gibson). That's just showing excitement, that's not gloating. This kind of blank stare on your face as you stand there and watch the ball just reeks of "Hey everyone, look what I just did. Look at how great I am" and is in poor taste IMHO. I guess I'm just a little more old school and prefer to go by the old cliche - 'act like you've been there before'.

Ok, I'll raise my hand, I do what you just described. I didn't realize I annoyed people by doing it though. Here is why I do it and this is actually something to add to my list of things that annoys me when I'm driving. I'm driving along in the right lane on the freeway ready to get off the freeway. The car in front of me starts slowing down in preperation to exit the freeway. I don't get that. The majority of exit ramps are plenty long enough to allow you time to slow down once you are actually on the ramp. There is no need to slow down to 45 before even getting to the ramp. The reason I want to pass this person is because I know he/she will make no effort to make the light at the end of the ramp, should it happen to be green. Ok, yes, I'll admit it. I'm a bit of an aggressive driver. Sorry.

1. I was 16 in 1982. I attended all the post season home games, sitting in the left center field bleachers. The two teams are not comparable and I don't want to take anything away from this year's team. However, the community seemed to really have a connection to the 82 squad. Gorman, Ganter, Vuke and even Molly and Yount seemed to have this blue collor hard nose persona that really resinated with the typical Milwaukee resident. They had a manager that was a local guy from West Allis. Gorman and Vuke opened a local bar together (Stormin' and Vukes'). Players like Thomas, Gantner, and Augustine still continue to live and work in the community today. You also have to remember all the other differences. Players did not come and go from teams as often as they do now and they did not have the contracts that seem to put them out of touch with the fan base. Every game was not on TV. Going to a game was really a special event. The Brewer rivals were Boston, NY, and Balt, not StL and Chicago. It's hard to compare the two, it's was a completely different era. I also have a different perspective on sports and baseball as a 42 year old with a job and mortgage and family and other responsibilities than I did as a basically worry free 16 year old. 2. I'm very cautiously optimistic about the Brewers post-season chances. I've been let down too many times to make any assumptions. But I really do like the make up of the team right now 3. Baseball has always been my favorite sport regardless of how competitive the Brewers are. I like football and watching Packer games, but I'm not by any means a HUGE football fan like most Wisconsinites. The fact that the Brewers are in the pennant race does make any difference regarding my interest or lack of interest in the upcoming football season. 4. Whether Favre stays or goes. Does not matter to me. I'm tired of the news coverage. I try to follow sports teams and not individuals.

Maybe you should have picked this picture: http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/9c2258c95d77dfec9461c504c8b86c6c64a90b1.bmp

I think anyone who has coached youth sports (and I'm not talking about pee wee level, I'm referring more to 10 years and older), has an appreciation for "the right way" to play.

This one is an obvious one but...traffic jams caused by gapers looking at an accident on the other side of the freeway. OH is that annoying! I wish they would put up big 10 foot walls between each side of the freeway. I don't care if there is a school bus turned upside down with naked clowns dancing on it on the other side of the free way...just drive!!

Uhhh..not sure about that. If you are going to do that, then please be aware of traffic coming up behind you and get out of the way before they come up on you.

I love this thread, I hope it lives a long life. I'm sure I'll come up with 30 more items on my way home from work tonight. Another good thread would be "Things that people do on golf course that are annoying". It's basically the same thing though. People who are completely unaware of their surroundings and are living on planet me.

Very, very good list Menotti. You are spot on with most of those, especially #2 and #5. When ever I'm making a left hand turn and the person in front of me (also making a left hand turn) does not pull out into the intersection, I honk and kind of motion to pull out, then they do!? Did they really need me to remind them that it's ok to pull out into the intersection? Another item along these lines that really irratates me. I'm 5th or 6th in line to make a left hand turn. The arrow turns green and the first car, for whatever unfathomable reason, waits a good 5 seconds after the light turns to begin his turn. On top of that, the cars following him/her all leave this huge gap as if they are waiting for the car in front of them to complete their turn before they begin their ultra tricky turn manuever. When you are talking about 2 lane highways, I'm assuming you really mean 4 lane highways. I think of a 2 lane highway as one lane going one direction and another lane going another direction. Again, to add to your passing lane list. How about the guy that passes you, pulls in front of you, then slows down. Then you go to pass him and he speeds up, and the frustration begins. Does anyone have cruise control and do they know how to use it? Also, it astounds me how many people keep there same speed when the speed limit changes from 65 to 55. Apparently it's ok to go 15 mph over in a 55 zone, but you should only go 5 over in a 65 zone. A few other things. - This one really, really annoys me. People who do not know how to make a proper left hand turn. You're on a side street and you come up on a stop sign, all of a sudden you are just about face to face with another car who's driver apparently doesn't have the physical coordination to round off his left hand turn and stay out of your lane. - People who do not know how to drive around others who are making left hand turns. Instead they wait and hold up an entire line of traffic. - To piggy back on Menotti's slow turners, and this is opposite of the people who cut off their left hand turns. People who make way to wide of a right hand turn as if they are driving a semi with 3 trailers or something. Are there that many people who still don't have power steering. How hard is it to get out of traffic when making a right hand turn and just sharpen up the turn a little more? I'm pretty sure your car is capable of it if you just put a little more torque on that steering wheel.

Not exactly familiar with how some of these transactions work. However, is there any possibility that the recent R. Braun LT contract extention with the Brewers included a stipulation that the Brewers would also agree to extend his un-drafted brother a minor league opportunity?

Mueller actually did not use those words. That was me paraphrasing. I'm not a big Gene Mueller fan, but Mueller was just bascially asking if it felt "refreshing" for a change to be in a pennant race and be able to go get guys to help accomplish that goal. That's all, and then Yost has to come back and crique Muller's use of the word "refreshing". My point was that this was not a hard hitting interview. This was a friendly cream-puff questions type of interview (he's a guest every Tuesday), but Yost still manages to come off as defensive. It made me squirm in my seat listening to it.

I usually don't listen to Milwaukee radio, but this morning on the way to work, I was listening to 620 (my XM radio is not working for some reason....grrrr). Apparently they have Yost on every Tuesday morning and Gene Mueller interviews him. I'm guessing that Gene does not look forward to Tuesday mornings. Man, Yost is surly. It was like Mueller couldn't ask Ned a question without getting a flat denial. Ned's attitude was like "what a stupid question, I'm a ML manager and your a hack DJ, what right do you have to ask me questions?, is this obligation that I agreed to almost over?" Mueller: "Is there a sense of a veteren presense on the bench adding a guy like Durham to the team to go along with guys like Cameron and Counsel?" Yost: "No, there is no different feeling on the team........................" Mueller: "You've been a manager for several years now with the Brewers. Is it refreshing to finally be buyers instead of sellers and have guys like Sabathia and Durham to work with down the stretch?" Yost: "I wouldn't say it's refreshing..........." Mueller: "Did you have to talk with Weeks about the addition of Durham and what it means to him?" Yost: "I didn't have to say much to him. He's a smart guy........" I'm paraphrasing, but all of Yost's replies had an impatient tone to them. I realize that after so many interviews it gets tiresome answering the same questions over and over, but instead of answering "I wouldn't say it's refreshing", can't you just humor the guy and answer "Yeah, it's exciting to be in this situation......."

I'm not sure about the other family sections, but section 217 is about as safe as you can get as far as avoiding "drunken debauchery". We have gotten to know the usher that works that section. He stands behind the section and is quickly on anyone who attempts to "sneak" a drink into the section. "Sneak" may not be the appropriate word. I think sometimes people just don't realize that they have family section tickets (a friend or someone else gave them to them), or sometimes people think it's ok if they go buy a beer and come back with it, but they just can't purchase one from a vendor (not sure why they think that, but they do).

I'm not sure about the other family sections, but section 217 is about as safe as you can get as far as avoiding "drunken debauchery". We have gotten to know the usher that works that section. He stands behind the section and is quickly on anyone who attempts to "sneak" a drink into the section. "Sneak" may not be the appropriate word. I think sometimes people just don't realize that they have family section tickets (a friend or someone else gave them to them), or sometimes people think it's ok if they go buy a beer and come back with it, but they just can't purchase one from a vendor (not sure why they think that, but they do).

It is annoying when you are out on the open road and a car in the left lane is passing another car and is going about a quarter of a mile per hour faster than the car he is passing. When I'm in that situation and I see cars coming up behind me, I tend to give my car a little more gas (usually I'm using Cruise control out on uncrowded highways) and so I can get past the guy and out of the way of drivers who wish to travel faster. I think it's just a courtesy not to clog up two lanes of the highway while you slowly pass another vehicle. edit: Ok, had to add this. What's worse (and maybe this has already been mentioned) is when you are using cruise control and you pass someone, then they speed up as you are trying to pass them. So, then you resume your place behind them. Then they slow down, and you can't seem to just get away from them. It's maddening. I know not everyone has cruise control but is it that hard to maintain a fairly constant speed when you are out on the open freeway? Do you not see what you are doing (cars passing you, then you passing them, then they are on your tail again, because you slowed down again for some reason...uuugggghhhhh!!!)

Wow, I can't believe I have not looked at this thread until now. Generally, mid season and year end "grades" don't really excite me. That's why we keep stats, not really a reason for grades on top of that. Anyways, not to add fuel to the fire, but nice debate on Cameron. As I have pointed out in other threads, I'm not a huge Cameron fan. I don't know how anyone can look at his stats and think he's having a great offensive year. A .800 OPS is good but doesn't thrill me. Not for a guy getting paid $6 million+. I know, I know..it's today's market, it's the way it is, still doesn't mean I can't sit and shake my head at it. I know he doesn't have as many ABs, but Kapler has a .868 OPS and makes a fraction of what Cameron does. What really kills me is all the outrageous claims at the beginning of the season about what a offensive juggernaut Cameron would be this year after leaving Petco Park. I don't see it. As far as not trying to expect too much out of a guy who is 35. This is exactly my point and was the basis of my argument not to sign him to begin with, not for $6 million.

Interesting..and speaking of Bogart..how did the phrase "Bogart" as in "Hey, don't Bogart those chips" ever originate?

We have had season tix in family section 217 since Miller Opened and my son was 3. It's a great place location to watch a game from. However, if have real concerns regarding foul balls, it behind home plate an many balls get hit up there (although my son has never been hit). At the same time it's a great place for a kid to get a souvenir foul ball. A lot of the balls get hit into the press box and then they always search for a kid to give it to. My son has over a dozen baseballs from games, most of them via the press box (of course many of those were from earlier years at Miller Park, when the crowds where not as big).