In both threads I withdrew because we seem to be incapable of having a civil discussion. I guess I fail to see how either of the threads has been uncivil. The truth is that I find it thoroughly unpleasant to have a discussion with someone who throws about words and phrases like 'Evil' ( a word I use about people like Hitler rather than the Brewers as you characterise me), 'mental-cases' (a phrase I happily don't use at all and thought had been dropped by most thinking human beings) and 'talking out of both sides of your mouth' (a phrase I find unnecesarily rude). If that's what you view as uncivil, then you're being a bit overly sensitive. "Talking out of both sides of your mouth" is a phrase that is used pretty much every day where I live, so I'm not sure what the problem is. And I fail to see how your opinion of the organization can be seen as good, as it is quite apparent that you fail to see anything that the Brewers do as far as player development goes as good or appropriate, regardless of whether it actually is. Referring to them as the "Evil Brewers" is a bit of hyperbole, which is a common method used in writing to emphasise a point. I fail to see how you can legitimately take offense to that. As I said, your continued claims that the Brewers' prospects are routinely "hurting their confidence" or get them upset by calling them up or sending them down or trying to improve their mechanics or whatever paint them in a very poor light emotionally and mentally. If those 'examples' are what causes you to think that the discussion isn't civil, I think you're overreacting. If you choose to think that iI'm dropping out of conversation with you because I cower before your irrefutable logic, please do so and I hope it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. No, that is not my claim or feeling. But when you withdraw from a debate where you heavily slam the organization after people raise valid points that challenge your argument, it certainly looks like you're sulking away because you don't have an answer, whether that's correct or not. I come here for relaxation and polite intelligent discussion And I come here for intelligent discussion as well, and expect it to be based around evidence and facts. If you're not prepared to defend your constant allegations that the Brewers' organization is mistreating players and hurting their development, what kind of discussion are you actually engaging in?