adambr2

What is MLF really supposed to say? That's probably the first thing he's going to be asked and really he gave the only answer he can. They already don't have a ton of leverage in a trade and if the whole world thinks they are ready to move onto Jordan Love they lose even more. It's entirely possible that it's nothing but hot air coach speak. With that said, I can acknowledge the possibility that they are totally genuine and want him back. I don't get why. I mean, I do get why, because they are going to win a whole lot more football games with him than without him, but man, this whole thing has just gotten stale. It's like watching a great movie with a horrible ending over and over again hoping the ending will change. I don't know how they can plug their noses and do this again, and continue to feed the fans the "this year it's gonna be different" crap. They could go 17-0 this season and be facing the Lions in the playoffs and I wouldn't be excited about it because I would 100% expect them to find some way to choke. I don't know how you can not at this point. I don't see it. With or without Rodgers, they're going to have a worse roster in 2022, there's no way around it. You can't shave basically 50M off your payroll just to break even without making some serious concessions somewhere. Their only real major card left to play that would even give them a semblance of a similar roster next season is to give Rodgers a big backloaded multi-year extension, and at some point they are really doing some serious harm to their future to keep around a QB that looked really old and cold in the spotlight at Lambeau on Saturday. Honestly, and I know this sounds spoiled especially to fans that grew up in the 70's eras Packers, but we've gotten to the point where this regular season journey even of 13 win seasons just isn't that enjoyable anymore. It's just constantly clouded with the foreboding feeling of "what's going to go wrong in the playoffs this year?" Sheesh, I think I'd get much more joy out of Love surprising us with a 9 win season and sneaking in as a 7 seed and thinking "Hey, this is pretty exciting! There's a good chance we won't win a game, but that's ok, because we've got nothing to lose and I'm excited about our future!" That sounds a lot better to me than "well, we've got HFA again, and it's Superbowl or bust, anything else is a failure of a season." I'm just ready to sit back and enjoy the game casually again and see if Love can be the guy. Maybe he ain't. I don't know. I honestly don't care at this point. I'm just sick of Aaron Rodgers. The whole schtick, the arrogance, the drama, the "I'm immunized." All of it. I know that probably shows a lack of appreciation for what he's done here because I know it's a lot, but it's become clear at this point that he can't be the same guy in the cold in January as he can be in the regular season. He just isn't. I don't know if it's psychological, I don't know if he's just too old, but regular season Aaron can't help us in January. For all the trash he talked about the 49ers not drafting him and promising to make them regret it, it's pretty sad that he hasn't been able to beat them a single time in his entire career when it actually counted. There were plenty of times in the last decade, mostly in the Ted Thompson era when they didn't do enough to put talent around him but the last couple years they've gone into salary cap hell to try to push for these last couple chances and finally put a D out there that could win a championship. Yeah, I know the special teams was ungodly horrible but you still had the ball in your hands late in the 4th quarter up 10-3 after the defense made a stop on 4th down, with a chance to put the game away. You still had the ball in your hands tied 10-10 with 4 minutes left to go and a chance to win a playoff game and you couldn't even muster a 1st down. I'm just so disgusted and over all of it. If Love ain't it and we suffer through a couple 5 or 6 win seasons where I can stop caring about football by November, so be it. I truly hope he can go somewhere else and get it done and go out at least with a Peyton Manning type legacy. I've just grown so weary of it here.

I also don't know for the life of me why the Bills called defenses designed to protect the sidelines when the Chiefs had timeouts to work with. It makes no sense.

My guess is they have no intention of targeting a QB anyway. They have two years invested in Love and would like to at least see what they've got. Likely that they'll use any draft capital from a Rodgers deal to continue to build a defensive minded team around Gary and Alexander and Clark, and probably look to add a weapon or two offensively for Love. Adams is a goner. 2022 is a very deep WR class, which is good because we are going to be in dire need. Two WRs added in the first two days of the draft would not shock me.

Defensive penalties result in an untimed down to prevent this very scenario. Sure, if it's the last play of the game. Not if there's 13 seconds left and you kill 6 of those 13 on first and 10 with a 5 yard defensive penalty.

Bills never should have kicked off deep. It was obvious to me, and probably most others watching, that a squib kick, hard down the field was the way to go. Make sure it runs off another 5 or 6 seconds, then it takes an absolute miracle on the part of Mahomes to win. It was just a horribly bad call to make there. Almost as bad as Tampa allowing Kuup to run down the field with 42 seconds left. That was a really painful ending. Tough to be Bucs, Packers, and Bills fans this morning. For all the great things that happened in those games, there was an equal amount of questionable ref calls, and stupid coaching decisions made all weekend long. What a weekend of NFL playoff games. I doubt it gets much better than what we witnessed last weekend, even though our teams lost, it was entertaining as hell. Honestly, the Bills should have mauled every Chiefs receiver on the first play from scrimmage, just straight up tackled them, and taken the 5 yard penalty. They would have won. I know these things are easy to Monday morning QB but there are so many little intricacies of clock management in the NFL that separate the really good coaches from the next level geniuses.

Hey he had a Packer hat on I’d prefer it if he didn’t. Anyways, Hats mean nothing, if I remember correctly. Honestly who cares, celebrities go to games all the time, and people have lives outside of professional sports and have legitimate reasons to sell their tickets all the time. Lack of fan support in the stadium was not a reason that they lost.

It's amazing how surgical a good coach and offense are with clock management nowadays. Incredible that you can leave the opposing offense with 13 seconds and it's still too much time. There wasn't anything overly dramatic about the Chiefs last regulation drive or anything crazy that happened. Pass over the middle, soft defense, 20 yards, down, timeout, repeat, drill FG. They made it look so easy. They knew exactly how fast they needed to operate to get two plays off in 12 or less seconds.

Yeah but not like they really had a choice, just had to convert. Getting the 2 pt was big though.

Wow, definitely looked like Allen got shoved down out of bounds on that 2nd and 10 play to me.

At some point Matt LaFleur has to shoulder a big share of the blame for the playoff failures. In a lot of ways. He watched idly by as Maurice Drayton insisted that the special teams would get it done when it counted. He couldn't have been more wrong, and he and MLF both let the team down and the fans down. When you have every reason to fire a guy and stand by your man, you go down with that ship when that man fails. I don't mean that literally to say MLF should be fired (obviously Drayton should), but he bears every bit of the responsibility for the ST failures as much as Drayton does. Aside from that, MLFs regular season successes are meaningless if his teams consistently fail in the playoffs. There's something to be said about coaches who routinely put together strong regular seasons only to be outclassed by better minds in the postseason. I'm not ready to put MLF in that category of coaches yet, but three years is a disturbing trend. The first year was understandable and even considered a success, last year was bothersome, and after yet another the pattern is pretty concerning. They had 3 weeks to rest and prepare for this game and they could not have come out looking flatter and less prepared in 2 out of 3 phases of the game. They should have been better.

It's been almost 24 hours which I feel like is way too long to have taken to fire Maurice Drayton. This is not a thing that needs to wait til Monday.

I hope the Bills or Bengals go all the way. Either is fine with me. Those teams have paid their dues of misery.

To be fair. It’s a bit easier to punch back when it’s not zero and snowing And when the opposing team makes a very questionable blitz call when the only thing preventing overtime is not giving up a deep ball. Still have to make a play, and Stafford deserves credit for that.

The Rams just did what the Packers could not, got knocked down by adversity and got back up off the mat and punched back.

Looked like he got to the marker to me.

I think that ball was hiked at 2:01. They like to give teams damn near a full second to hike the ball when the play clock hits zero, but boy are they quick on that whistle when it comes to the 2 minute warning.

Is this actually happening?

It honestly doesn't make any difference for me. I'd have no real reason to believe it. On paper they should have won yesterday and they should beat the Rams at Lambeau. In reality they couldn't figure out a way to win when the defense played the game of their lives and the opposing QB was terrible. If they had somehow hung on last night, it would have been pure dumb luck, Maurice Drayton would still be our ST coordinator next weekend and I'd have no reason to think we'd be any better prepared than we were yesterday and that our ST wouldn't cost us the game in some spectacular fashion.

I honestly don't hate Brady the way many do, or was even all that invested in this game, I just love that Skip Bayless is having a bad day.

Oh yeah there are still other football games.

Packers 2022 Opening day starting QB: 60% Jordan Love, 10% Aaron Rodgers, 30% someone else. Those would be my current percentage chances.

I realize the "Why can't Wisconsin sports fans have nice things" thread was rightfully locked when the Bucks won the NBA title, but the Packers are basically in a league of their own when it comes to this category. I mean these guys have made ripping the hearts of their fans right out of their chests and repeatedly stomping on them into an annual tradition.

I know they're not going to eat $39M in dead cap with Bahk. I just don't see the point of incurring massive cap hits of $26M+ and $30M+ in '23 and '24 in a rebuild to a 30 some year old tackle with a bum knee. I'd rather just eat it all now and be done with it. Bahk made a lot more sense here when we thought we had a few years left with Rodgers and Adams and now his presence just seems pointlessly expensive.

Yes, it is crazy. They'll incur $39M in dead cap space if they release him. Best case scenario is they trade him after 6/1 in which they will incur $8.8M in dead cap in 2022 and $17.5M in dead cap in 2023, but that requires a trade partner and I don't know if anyone is going to take on his contract coming off of an injury and not being able to play in this playoff game. Why not just bite the bullet on all the dead money next season, fill out the roster on the cheap and start with a clean slate in '23? I know this isn't generally done, but why not? The Packers are now officially in salary cap hell. I don't think they could keep Rodgers and Adams even if they wanted to. They've been kicking the can down the road as long as they could, understandably. At some point they have to pay the piper, and that time may as well be now. They're not competing in '22 with Love starting and no Adams. Give Love a full year of development as the starter with basically no expectations as far as wins and losses. Then if he shows promise, they can start to spend a bit in '23 again, while using their likely early draft capital in '23 in addition to whatever they get from a Rodgers trade to start building a good young team around Love. We'll find out in very short order how good MLF and Gute really are.

When it came to players who I thought might cost us a playoff game, the name "Steven Wirtel" never came to mind, but here we are.