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I have a friend that went to work with a fever and he said there was nothing he could do he couldn't risk losing his job despite the fact he knew he was potentially exposing people to covid-19. I'm like, you're not just exposing your co-workers you're exposing their families if you don't at least tell people. He said I can't tell them because if I tell them I have a fever they won't let me come to work. Sigh.... While I'm not excusing your friend, shame on the company that he works for if he is really in the position right now where he risks his job if he stays home from work with a fever.
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Absolutely the mortality rate has something to do with the current approach going forward with sports. You're telling me that if concerns from March hadn't been worst case and we were looking at a 5% incidence fatality rate, we wouldn't have called off all 2020 sports by now and be instituting widespread stay-at-home orders? Of course we would. If something isn't killing people you're going to be a lot less concerned about it spreading than if it was killing people at a high rate. H1N1 blew up enormously in terms of spread, but we didn't take major precautions to address its exponential growth. Why? Because it simply wasn't very lethal. COVID is absolutely more dangerous than H1N1, but definitely far less than what we feared on March 15th. So does that come into play when determining if we need to shut something down when someone gets it or quarantine, contact trace, test, and move on? Certainly. College sports is a little different than pro sports and I'm not sure we'll have any. But I wouldn't be surprised if we do. They are going forward with Northwoods League Baseball here in central Wisconsin, with special precautions. I don't know how to specifically answer what each individual sports organization will do when a team has players who test positive. Those scenarios will of course be planned for well in advance as to how they will be handled.
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I don't think any fall sports are going to happen. Pretty amazing to see the contrast in states with COVID going away vs. exponentially increasing right now. I think you guys are still viewing this from a March perspective when we thought there was a possible 3-4% mortality rate associated with COVID. I'm pretty confident that the fact that there is very strong evidence that this is a lot less lethal than we had originally feared is definitely taken into consideration and is absolutely part of the reason we haven't really seen resumed lockdowns despite rising cases.
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I agree with you on just about everything you post but boy does this one miss the mark in so many ways in my respectful opinion. 1) Most of us have continued to work and put ourselves at risk as others have mentioned. I don't expect those who can afford not to to do the same, but I'm certainly not going to fall over myself in gratitude because the players are negotiating to play the game they get payed to play. 2) As was also mentioned, this is about money, not safety. And as with the NBA, anyone who genuinely feels unsafe to play will be allowed to stay home and not be paid. So again, 100% about the money, not about safety. If you really feel this is about player safety, I have to assume you haven't really been following negotiations at all. 3) With the kind of healthcare, constant access to testing and monitoring and restrictions that these guys will be subjected to, I have no idea in the world how you could possibly claim these guys are safer sitting at home enjoying their freedoms than playing under these restrictions.
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Looks like its working. At this point I couldn't possibly think less of both sides than I already do.
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Just like you stopped watching the NFL because of kneeling.... That is a true story. Haven't watched a single down since I made that commitment, it wasn't an empty threat. Saying you will probably stop going to games is exactly that, an empty threat, and you know it. If you chose to stop watching the NFL completely, because of kneeling, shouldn't it be understandable to you that many people will choose to stop attending MLB games because of a hideous and tone deaf labor dispute during a time of national crisis?
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16 team postseason if it passes. Make darn sure to hang a pennant for that playoff berth.
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https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/its-time-us-welcome-baseballs-complete-and-utter-ruin "It's not even that the sides are trying to out-greed each other, it's that they have so little respect for the state of the world that they believe this fight actually matters."
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Studies continue to show a staggeringly low fatality rate for COVID-19 in relation to what was originally speculated. This study estimates an infection fatality rate of .05 in individuals under 70, which is quite comparable with seasonal flu. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v2
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/06/rob-manfred-no-longer-confident-2020-season-will-occur.html Manfred is the worst commissioner ever. You literally said just days ago that there would 100% be a season this year.
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In my opinion you're taking the opinions of some folks out of context a bit. Maybe some don't give a shortened season the legitimacy of a 162, but unless I'm wrong (and maybe I am, I haven't combed through every post), no one has said they simply won't pay attention to a shortened season. All things being equal, I'd prefer baseball to no baseball this year, and I'd recognize a 50 game champ the same as any other. I'd still watch Brewer baseball this year, though it may not be such a priority that I dedicate 3 hours a night to it every night anymore. But I think back in April, there was more of a deep national desire for baseball again, for the sake of normalcy if anything else. That window has passed, and I think in the meantime people have adjusted to life without it. So, if it happens, great, but it isn't going to devastate most fans the way it would have back in April if the season were to be cancelled entirely. Then you throw in the labor issues which has definitely added a feeling of disgust to the mix on the fan's part, which is definitely understandable.
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MLBPA to reject the 76 game proposal by the owners of 75% prorated salaries. https://www.rotoworld.com/baseball/mlb/player-news/headlines/9644446 Just take the season out back and shoot it. Both sides have proven to be catastrophic failures in the face of labor tensions. Neither side could care less about the fans or the morale of the country during a pandemic. Most of the country has moved on with their summer at this point. I hope the drop in attendance when labor peace is restored makes the 1995 drop of 20% look mild in comparison.
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I really appreciate the good information that Igor and Machu have been able to provide to these threads (others too!! but thought these two deserved some recognition) I'll be the first to admit I don't know anything other than what I hear secondhand. It's frustrating these days to do research and find so much that just contradicts something else you find.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not understanding how scanning for fevers is even going to help. I would guess conservatively around half of COVID-19 infections are totally asymptomatic based on studies that estimate that number as anywhere between 42 and 81%. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/01/asymptomatic-patients So there are so many out there with no fever, no anything, they feel fine and they're infecting people. How is checking for a fever going to find these ones? One would have to think that the asymptomatic ones are in most cases the ones doing the spreading. They're out, they don't even know anything is wrong. The ones with the fever, at least the smart ones, are staying home. You can force some degree of distancing at the stadium by limiting capacity and reduce spread that way, but there's no way you're keeping it out of the stadium even with scanning.
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Because your definition of unnecessary risk isn't the same as everyone else's whose definition isn't the same as everyone else. If you really want no "unnecessary" risk by a generally accepted definition, then bring back shelter in place orders for 2 years. Just be prepared for some pretty devastating residual effects on the economy and mental health of the country. The virus was never going to disappear in 3 weeks, it isn't going to disappear in 3 months and it's probably still going to be here in 3 years. Where are you wanting to draw the line and accept entertainment based activities with spectators and other forms of "unnecessary" risk? A proven and globally available vaccine? Total eradication?
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So when is it ok for fans to be back in the stands, in your opinion? I'm not saying today is the right answer or never is the right answer, I'm just curious what current opinions are. Keep in mind stating opening day 2021 has zero evidence it would be any lower or higher risk than letting people back in the stands right now, and continuing to try and play games without gameday ticket and gate revenues in the midterm would lead to professional sports leagues ceasing to exist? Professional sports REALLY IS all about money...playing without fans destroys their revenue model and makes professional sports immensely less lucrative for all parties - owners and players. Honestly, and I know many will disagree, if they wanted to open stadiums at 50% capacity until a viable vaccine is developed, I wouldn't have much problem with it. Either we're willing to accept some inherent risk or we're not. Things aren't likely to change much in the next year or so.
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NBA has approved resuming play in Orlando on July 22nd. Still needs approval from the player's association, but it is all but official, we will have a finish to the NBA season and a 19-20 NBA Champion.
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While I personally I think both sides are going to come out of this looking horrible, I just find it funny that we've hardly heard a peep in regard to health and safety from the players lately. Just 5 minutes ago you were telling us that you're risking your lives, and now you want play as many games as possible. Which I'm on board with, just don't tell me this is about your health and safety when you're desperate to cram 114 games into 125 or so days to minimize your salary loss in a fanless baseball world. It's not.
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The play-in winner will only have beaten another equivalent team. While I'd concede that these are unusual circumstances where we don't know exactly how things will play out, I have no concern about any 8 seed team against the Bucks unless the series were cut to 3 games.
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My best would be starters go about 20 minutes to begin working up to about 30 by the 7th game and the 8th game being a total rest game for the studs before the playoffs.
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So true. I'll take any sort of legacy for this team that doesn't involve losing a World Series 38 years ago or Juan Nieves. (With all due respect, Mr. Nieves)
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The 50% pay for the season with no revenue is going to be a non-starter for owners, and extending contracts for a year is going to be a non-starter with players especially after already getting service time agreements for this season.
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COVID-19 aftermath: What things will change forever?
adambr2 replied to adambr2's topic in Off-Topic Forum
Yeah, I have to agree with superfly on this one. I get that we're constantly learning new things about COVID-19, but potential protection of masks is not something that the CDC should have ever had to change position on. Information evolving on things like vaccines and antibodies is one thing but if you seriously can't be consistent on whether or not a mask helps you prevent spread of a virus, your credibility absolutely sucks. As far as bikers/walkers/drivers wearing masks it doesn't really bother me one way or another. Odds of spreading it around by being out biking and exhaling on something that somehow gets inhaled later by someone is probably somewhere between nonexistent and minuscule, but some people probably either would rather just keep them on while out and about rather than constantly taking them off and putting them on or they're so used to wearing them in public by now that they don't even think about it or even remember that they're still wearing them. Doesn't affect me either way. -
It's encouraging that the Players Association came back with an actual offer. With all of the tragic news in the headlines over the past few days, neither side of the baseball negotiation is likely to garner much in the way of public support. Caring about baseball seems like a luxury. The two sides will either work it out or they won't. But doing their negotiating in public seems petulant. We have more important stuff in the public consciousness right now. The constant pining for public support is the equivalent of this: You work for corporate at Walmart and your salary is $1,000,000 per year. As time goes by, the company, and the CEO and Board of Directors are making even more money than they were before. They decide that they want to keep as much of this as possible and not share it with you. So you go out to your local Walmart and explain your situation to the cashiers and stockers about how unfair the CEO and Board are being. Are they being unfair? Well, yeah, probably, but good luck getting anyone to care. This is why neither side is going to get public support and neither side got public support in 1994.
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I would be plenty happy with this too, but it's telling about what this is really about that the players' first counterproposal was "let's just play more games so there's more revenue." This isn't really about safety. That's just a leverage play. Realistically, I don't believe that any player is any less safe doing this than they are sitting at home. In some ways, I think you could argue that they're even safer. They are going to be monitored and tested so much it'll make their head spin. On the off chance that they manage to infect anyone, their very situation will likely be the thing that results in it being caught so fast that they can be quarantined and contact traced before they can even spread it to a single person.