adambr2

I can't believe there's this much attention to me quoting stats from 3 games against power 5 teams. No, college stats are not "empty". They're simply one piece of information for evaluation. Yes, he did have a poor supporting cast in 2019. I'm not downplaying the talent. I understand the Patrick Mahomes ceiling argument, and it's legitimate. What I have a problem with is guys penciling Love in as our franchise QB for the next 15-20 years and saying we now have "two very good QBs", to lump Love in with Rodgers at this point is just absurd. The fact of the matter is that there is probably just as good of a chance at Love ending up as Geno Smith as there is of him ending up as Patrick Mahomes. There are a lot of things that are correctable, but the lack of field vision is concerning -- it's a big reason Brett Hundley never became the QB prospect we hoped for. So let's wait and see. But I do think people are far too apt to overlook clear mechanical weaknesses if the pure athletic talent is there.

No one is "trying" to paint a picture, Brew. Everyone here wants this guy to be successful. Just stating the statistical facts. Yes, his supporting cast was down from 2018 and he tried to do too much.

Love started against three Power 5 teams last season -- Wake Forest, LSU and Michigan State. He has a 48 QB rating in those games with 3 TDs and 8 INTs.

I don't disagree that Rodgers has regressed, but I don't see what difference that makes in relation to this pick. Rodgers isn't getting benched for Love, ever. He'll retire or be traded before that happens.

Jordan Love has a long, long ways to go to be considered a competent starting NFL quarterback, much less a really good one. You may have an opinion, I don't think it is accurate An opinion? It's a fact that he hasn't even played an NFL down. He could end up being great, but let's maybe wait and see before anointing him as greatness.

If it's in 2020, we're probably still pretty screwed. Love probably isn't ready til at least 2021 and preferably 2022. He needs some time.

Jordan Love has a long, long ways to go to be considered a competent starting NFL quarterback, much less a really good one.

This is sort of an odd perspective considering that Ted literally did this exact same thing.

I think I read this quote exactly in 2005. Well, they did trade Favre. I don't think Rodgers is getting traded anytime soon, but 2 seasons from now, I think it's quite possible.

Might as well just trade Rodgers if we're not going to try to build around him in his last few years. This team as constructed isn't a Super Bowl contender without significant improvements.

Vikings drafted a WR, while their CB depth chart is a terrible Mike Hughes and a few Aldi's grocery checkers. Their WR depth chart was pretty ugly after the Diggs trade too, so it's not like they didn't add a need.

It's Queen or bust. If we don't get him, I'd just trade out of the 1st.

So annoyed with the Bills for giving up so much for Diggs. Vikings saved a ton of money and get a younger and more talented receiver to boot. Have to admit it worked out perfectly for them.

Why is getting on a plane early an important thing and even an indicator of class and status? Everyone on the plane quite literally departs the airport and arrives at the destination at the same exact time. Everyone needs to wait. Why is it better to wait in a plane than in a concourse?

But what Peavey, myself, and others are saying, is that you can respect accomplishments, and respect philanthropic works, while still maintaining the position that there are certain honors that are forever lost with egregious ethical acts that simply cannot be earned back with any amount of good deeds. Now, I do agree that they may retire it. I just don't know one way or another how the Brewers will choose to handle it. There's precedent on both sides. The Cubs have not retired the number of Sammy Sosa, but the Giants did for Bonds. McGwire's is "soft retired" by the Cardinals, but not officially.

And my point was that his philanthropic efforts have more than made up for his PED use and suspension. It’s been 7 years since his suspension, and there is no way we can guess when he started and when/if he stopped using. I assume he’s been tested as often as possible under the CBA since that 2011 failed test. Regardless, 2,000 hits and 350 HR should get your number retired especially on a franchise that retired Rollie Fingers number, has a soft retirement on Gantner and retired a uniform number for Bud Selig. Certain honors are reserved for players without ethical stains on their career, regardless of what they've done since then to make amends. The amount of time Braun has been tested since then and how long it's been does not erase that stain. It's why Roger Clemens isn't in the HOF despite a career that obviously meets the necessary credentials. Most well known players of great means are pretty active in charitable causes, (Clemens being quite active himself) , and none of that means a thing in their HOF credentials. It simply comes down to whether the committee reaches a point where they decide to overlook the ethical shortcomings. I understand that having a number retired is different, but it's still a pretty big honor and how the Brewers weigh that in relation to his scandal, I won't pretend to know. His numbers in and of itself are obviously good enough. A soft retirement on Gantner is obviously silly, but that has nothing to do with Braun. So that's why IMO, your argument that his philanthropic efforts should somehow overcome the PED history doesn't hold any water. If your argument was that Braun should be recognized and remembered for his accomplishments and not for his scandal since he has made efforts to make amends since then, I could certainly agree with that.

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think anyone was arguing that Braun should be HOF bound. I agree that his numbers while probably ballotable are on the low end of most candidates and likely wouldn't even get him voted in without a scandal, although there are players with worse credentials in the Hall.

The historical remembrance of Jim Gantner is really weird. He was a very mediocre player. Player wise, his career is Craig Counsell's almost to a tee and no one remembers Counsell as this great player.

Was Rollie involved in multiple PED scandals that I'm unaware of? I'll be absolutely shocked if Braun's number is retired. Dude get over it. He made the mistake. It stinks. Instead of focusing on a mistake from almost a decade ago, pay more attention to Ryan Braun’s philanthropic efforts in California Strong and the money he is donating to COVID-19 response. Braun’s number should absolutely be retired. He’ll likely have over 2,000 hits and over 350 HR, the franchise leader, when he retires. Pretty sure his standpoint was "Ryan Braun's PED use and suspension will keep his number from being retired in Milwaukee," not "Ryan Braun is a dirtbag." Philanthropic efforts are great but they have nothing to do with what is being discussed, unless you think they're a consideration for someone having their number retired which I would disagree with.

Why would people want the first fun sports thing in like 6 weeks to be ruined?

Honestly, maybe I am way off base here but I don't really understand why this even needs to be taking as long as it is, for MLB or any other sport. We already know that the games must be fan-less, at least up until the NFL season for sure. So beyond that, I know there are still logistics to sort out, but I don't know why they can't travel, live at home and follow the same social distancing guidelines as the millions of others that are going to work right now. These guys are not flying commercial coach, they can travel while maintaining social distance. The WWE for instance is operating without fans which is obviously very close contact. As long as there is medical monitoring of the athletes, access to fast testing and a plan in place for positive tests, it should be manageable without posing much additional risk to themselves or the public. Beyond ensuring that current individual state laws are followed regarding shelter in place, I don't see why these guys can't just play in their fan-less home stadiums and stay with their families. It's not like players are going to be congregating at the club right now. If they are waiting for the time when it will be perfectly safe to resume, that time is not forthcoming this year or even next. There has to be some acceptance of inherent risk involved, or we might as well shut it all down at least through the end of 2021 and perhaps just forever discontinue professional sports as we know it.

There are a lot of studies and models out there and its easy to follow those that support one's biases. I fall into that trap once in a while. There's that Stanford study in Santa Clara County right now showing something like 50 - 80x more people have had the virus than have tested positive (which is all the more reason for massive uptick in testing) and people are using it as justification for the "it's only the flu" argument when the researchers themselves say it's just one study in one very specific (self selected) population group. If they can replicate that all over the place then sure then by all means adjust accordingly but you can't use one set of results to do that. That isn't how science works. The fact remains that we don't know a lot about the virus which is why continuous study is so important. Equally as important though is to not assume any single study is conclusive. Well said. On almost any hot button issue, not just weather re: COVID-19, it's so easy to reinforce your own biases just in your own information gathering. That's why it's so important to research, be open-minded in your research and not trust your Facebook friends' opinions. Agreed that one of the biggest issues with COVID-19 is all the unknown. Hopefully when we're discussing it a year from now, we'll have a great deal more scientific understanding on weather effects, antibody immunity, vaccination and immunity timetables, testing, potential drug treatments and worst case mortality rates. We know more than we did a month ago, but we still don't really know much.

High heat and humidity definitely reduces the spread of COVID-19. Or, it doesn't at all. Seriously, just Google it and you'll find studies that reach both of those conclusions. It's no wonder no one knows what to believe and why no one can agree on anything.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/antibody-research-coronavirus-widespread/story?id=70206121 This is a big point in the camp of "maybe I had it in December or January and didn't know it" and "maybe patient zero didn't get here on January 15th." If 5% of the US population has had it, that also would indicate 15,000,000 have been infected and the real morality rate would be much lower than thought. The remdesivir treatment also looks really encouraging so far. We may be in the early stages of turning a corner on this...

I agree with the premise that ‘GMs shouldn’t pass on a Rodgers because they have a Favre,’ but this time around, the QB isn’t waffling on retirement every year. If a guy who the Packers felt had franchise QB potential falls to 30, I hope they trade back and acquire surplus value for the pick. But if they can’t trade back? I’d take him. Favre wasn't really waffling when they drafted Rodgers. He was waffling when they drafted Brohm and Flynn. Favre had already retired from the Packers before they even drafted Brohm or Flynn. He waffled after Rodgers' rookie season in 2005, then again after the 2006 season before finally retiring after 2007.