And yet, none of those 3 guys had great results recently up until this season. The Yankees were willingly looking to dump Gray after posting an ERA near 5 for them in 2018. Castillo has dropped over 2 runs on his ERA and nearly a run off his FIP from last season. Roark was coming off two very mediocre seasons in Washington. I don't disagree that the Reds have better talent in their rotation, but talent doesn't automatically equate to better results as we saw with all 3 of them coming into this year. Absolutely a pitching coach can make a difference in unlocking those results. I absoltuely believe that having better talent will lead to better results. Why else sigh a Grandal or Moose if they didn't think having that extra talent would lead to better results. Roark has had a very good career and I'd argue that his last couple of years were probably better than mediocre (last year more so). Castillo has always had this pedigree. His numbers will come back to earth a bit but he always had TOR potential. Gray was pretty darn good in Oakland. That talent didn't just disappear. Mahle was a top 100 guy. DeScalfini is the only one that hasn't been pretty darn good so does the DJ magic just not work with him? Still, he'd instantly be our second or third best pitcher. On DeScalfini, I don't think any DJ supporter is saying that every pitcher under a good pitching coach is automatically going to be better. I also don't think anyone is going to argue with you that better talent will lead to better results. Burnes and Woodruff were both top 100 guys too. Peralta was right on the edge of it. That's 60% of our rotation to begin 2019. What do you think of these guys? Do you just think they were just overrated from the get-go, just not ready, or what? Honestly asking.