The other thing that I don't understand about 82's argument is that, besides Knebel and Miley, but with full years of further developed Burnes, Peralta and Woodruff, and the return of Nelson, it's the exact same staff that DJ was very successful with last year. The one that missed the World Series by one game. Knebel is a huge loss no doubt, but with appreciate for what Wade Miley did for us last year, I really don't think anyone is going to consider Wade Miley the difference between a talented and less talented pitching staff. So they were successful last year, but this year, same guys, lack of success, they just have no talent? I just don't buy it. That seems like revisionist history. To be fair, I'm sure there were people coming into this season with concerns, but the general consensus was excitement. The hype surrounding our young pitchers was real this year. People said they were more excited about our staff than any time in recent memory. Playoff performances from 2018 helped reinforce the hype. Now to be sure, perhaps the hype was overhype and expectations were way out of proportion. But when you look at DJ's departure and the results so far...for whatever reason, DJ has been much more successful with his staff in Cincy than Hook has been in Milwaukee. I don't see how that can even be debated.