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The Mets hired a pitching coach that is so old he literally has pitched against Ted Williams in his lifetime in an MLB game.

Question for the room that I am honestly curious to hear the answer to... Would you trade Josh Hader right now if it meant the return would be the exact three players the Pirates sent to the Rays for Chris Archer last year (Austin Meadows, Tyler Glasnow, and top 100 prospect Shane Baz)? Note: This is just a hypothetical for survey purposes, not something that I am proposing is actually a possibility. I wouldn't RIGHT NOW, but I would in a month if the pitching staff remains as poor as it has been the last couple of weeks. ?? Meadows would pencil right in to our starting OF for the next 6 years. He would be an immediate and huge upgrade in our lineup right NOW. Glasnow is about to come off the DL and was having a Cy Young type season. He has ace stuff and would probably slot in at the top of our rotation for the next 5 years. Baz is a top 100 prospect with ace upside. Who cares. He's just gravy. I love Hader and I think it would be absolutely nuts from our perspective not to jump on this without a moment's hesitation.

Question for the room that I am honestly curious to hear the answer to... Would you trade Josh Hader right now if it meant the return would be the exact three players the Pirates sent to the Rays for Chris Archer last year (Austin Meadows, Tyler Glasnow, and top 100 prospect Shane Baz)? Note: This is just a hypothetical for survey purposes, not something that I am proposing is actually a possibility. Would I trade Hader for Meadows+Glasnow+Baz? Yes, in a heartbeat.

In general I hate when people criticize other people's thread ideas. (and some of us here have done the exact same thing in recent past, and I probably have too at some point). If you think a thread is silly/ridiculous/whatever, I personally think everyone is better off if you just leave it alone and move about your day. Different people have different opinions. Unless something is obviously done just to instigate/shock (DFA Christian Yelich, for instance), not everyone has the same perspective. So likewise, I don't understand why people get bent out of shape every time threads like this get made. Part of the fun of a message board is debating hypotheticals. If the OP had started the thread by saying "Obviously we suck and should be headed for a full blown rebuild now, so where should we start", that would be one thing, but this, it's just one possibility among many to debate. Maybe we turn it around and end up winning the World Series this year. That's another possibility too. But it's just another thing to discuss. To answer the original question, the two most likely to get dealt I would have to think are Moose and Grandal. Both are having fine seasons and are probably worth something. Worth exactly what, is really tough to peg. I keep going back to the very paltry return JD Martinez brought back recently as a deadline rental, but both Moose and Grandal certainly have more positional value. I would start my ask for either around the value that Machado brought back last year and realize that we'll probably have to settle for less -- I'm guessing both value around a lower top 100 prospect or maybe a couple 10-15 organizational prospects from a good system. I just don't see much really there beyond that, personally. If it was the offseason, where everyone was involved, sure. But you have to think in terms of contenders. Is a contender really looking to move trade capital at the deadline to acquire a .650ish OPS solid gloved shortstop? Nah. Or even a guy like Chacin? No, he's having a miserable year so far. Even Shaw has likely scared away potential buyers. Buyers are going to prioritize current production, especially when it comes to rentals, but even for someone like Shaw -- they know he's not useable to them right now. Not that someone might not take a Chacin, but you wouldn't get anything. It'd be a Curtis Granderson dump style move. Even a guy like Zach Davies, who is having a nice year, probably isn't going to garner that much interest. Every GM out there is well aware that he's trending in the wrong direction. Guys like Corbin Burnes and Freddy Peralta certainly have value, but as a seller to a buyer? No, you're looking for help now, and the YTD production will scare you away. Obviously, the two names that will change the conversation entirely are Yelich and Hader, and then you're looking at an entirely different world for an asking price. But that's not a road you're looking to go down unless you're entering a full scale rebuild, and that's not what we would be doing. So yeah, I'd think Grandal and Moose would probably be the two likeliest. Smaller other pieces that you're looking to just move on from -- guys like Albers, Anderson, Guerra, Aguilar. But you're probably only talking about getting back lower organizational types at best.

Provided you have enough sugar on hand and you don't let them sit in the milk too long, Corn Flakes can be delicious. Wouldn't you just be better off with Frosted Flakes if you need to add sugar to corn flakes?

You can quote me all the peripheral stats you like, I do not believe for one second that Derek Johnson's absence is not being felt.

I don't have a problem with them waiting on Jimmy and taking a chance on a comeback. But he was handled incredibly foolishly the last few weeks. When he was brought up on June 5th, he was 7 days shy of his 5th service year which gives him the right to refuse an option. So had they played their cards right, they would have gotten 2 starts out of him to evaluate whether or not to send him back down or not. Instead, he had one disastrous start on June 5th and then they just sat on their hands for 10 days while Jimmy didn't pitch and he hit his 5 year mark. Now they're backed into a corner. They aren't going to DFA him this soon after all this waiting and investing. They can't option him. So they are stuck with a wasted roster spot continuing to send him out there to get shelled every 5 days because they can't stick him in San Antonio anymore. It was just really poorly handled.

Yeah he's got to go. Great clubhouse guy is fine but you can't continue to carry a backup 1st baseman that hits this bad.

I'm a big fan of David Stearns, but between Nelson, Shaw, and Hiura, June 2019 has not been his finest month.

Unfortunately no real surprise there as he bats after a pitcher and a guy with a .308 OBP.

You don't just dump a guy who's produced ~8.5 WAR for you the past two years. Arcia has to stay. He's hit the ball real hard right at people during this little slump, but his defense is too good. Aguilar got here in a pinch hitting role, so fine, he can move to the bench. Send Shaw back down and give him a few weeks/month. But he's been too productive to just get rid of. You are a lot higher on Arcia than me. I just don't think he's that good. We're in his 4th season now and it just seems like he is what he is. His defense is good, but overrated to an extent, IMO. I don't think he absolutely needs to be replaced but if they were to send him down and give his starts to Dubon or Saladino for awhile I wouldn't have any issue with it.

At least he makes up for it with that wicked good bat.

Just a reminder that we could have optioned Nelson 9 days ago and chose not to and now we can't.

Agreed Perez isn't going anywhere this year. Next year I could see them letting him walk and Dubon becoming the super sub.

Snell being packaged with the #30 pick for Leuer. 4M saved for next season and 12M for 2020-21.

It’s not. It’s just expecting something and not seeing it happen. Many had way too high of expectations and it’s ruining a time in Brewers history for them. Maybe some re-runs of the early 2000’s would help during rain delays or something. I don't get this argument at all. Do we not deserve to expect great Brewer teams just because we had terrible teams 20 years ago so now we should just appreciate anything better? I said a similar thing a month ago or so, but record-wise, we are fine. There is nothing wrong with our record. Performance-wise, we are not fine. We have played about. 500 quality baseball and been fortunate to have enough bounces go our way to be better than that. It would be good to see them correct those performance issues because our record pace isn't sustainable with this kind of performance to date. As far as expectations, we are returning almost everyone from last year's team that missed the World Series by 1 game, only now we added Moose for the entire season instead of 2 months plus one of the best catchers in baseball. I think the high expectations are quite fair.

Perez is the same mediocre player who can't reach base worth a lick as he's always been. I have no interest in going another year in arbitration with him when Dubon can probably replace his production for pennies on the dollar.

Perez striking out to end the game against a tough righty because you have no better option in or available is kind of the ending you deserve with this roster management.

Another date with Kirby Yates again tonight.

We're 10-5 in one run games this season, and our Pythagorean is 37-36. Luck and our record in 1 run games hasn't been the issue. If anything we should be worse.

That inning looked easy after we allowed a bunch of damage first.

Can we please no longer talk about how the schedule is about to get a lot easier?

Lol. Awesome stuff. Our pitching is trash.

Machado had two of the weirdest looking singles you'll ever see both in the same game. That's one of those things that happens and then the whole inning unravels. You could see it unfolding as it happened with 5 guys just converging on one spot.

That was Oriole'esque. Pathetic.