"I'd say that it's beaten to death about as much as the phrase, 'I know it's a small sample but...'" Completely agree. Moving on. "He would have to perform well offensively for an extended period (200+ AB) before I'd readjust my personal opinion of him. Can you literally just not see Gwynn being able to do that?" Well, I can't see Gwynn getting 200+ AB this year, if that's what you're asking, so I'll live with the fact that you're not going to like him, regardless of what he does or doesn't do, until at least mid-2008. My goal is more modest - a simple cessation of posts about Gwynn's limitations. We all know. We all get it. It's beyond tedious at this point. "My post was prompted by you suggesting that Gwynn is being unjustly criticized on this board but we'll just have to ignore that fact. I think it's only fair for you to be able to call posters out without fear of having to actually justify your position." For the third or fourth time today, my point in the initial thread is that, regardless of what Gwynn does, he's going to take heat on a daily basis on this board. No other player (not even Turnbow!) gets this treatment. This much negative energy directed towards any player in a Milwaukee Brewer uniform, on a Brewer "fan" website, is both sad and embarrassing. The fact that Gwynn performed well enough over 49 games this year to get the callup from Melvin (a better judge of baseball talent than you or I by a longshot) makes it rather silly, to boot. That's all. If my fundamental point still eludes you, Russ, let's just agree to disagree.