This ties into the evaluation factor. When a team is struggling, and starting pitching and bullpen have been shaky, then do you agree that no other manager would make a difference? I disagree with this 100% -- Certainly if a manager misuses a bullpen throughout the course of a season, no manager is going to make a gassed arm throw better. However, a different manager may have not gotten you into that predicament. Generally speaking though when people make statements like "no other manager could have done better with these players" it is nothing more than hand-waving, and there is no study or support that goes into these sorts of statements. If we say it lies with the players themselves, then are we not damning the GM to some degree, for building the roster is his responsibility and that includes both the physical and mental make-up of the players he selects. Yes. Now we can blame the manager, if young blossoming players in 2006 did not get enough ABs, and consequentially are still cutting their teeth in 2007, but certainly the GM needs to take some heat for not making moves. It's hard to criticize GMs though because you just don't know what happens in their universe -- for example -- I think that the Brewers tend to hold on to players past their trading peak (Vargas e.g.) I am critical of DM because he didn't move Vargas when he had a 9-2 record and not so bad ERA -- of course other GMs may have seen exactly what I did, an inflated W-L record and steered clear of Claudio, so it is really hard to be assured that the fault is on Melvin, of course DM did trade for CV though.....