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Counsell's actually clutch with the bases loaded. /halfblue

We better score this inning. Then again, Kotsay is up.

And there's the Yuni we know...

Amazing!!! edit: because McGehee should've grounded into a DP but the pitcher bailed him out.

How does he not get tossed there? I could understand if the first inside one hit him but Braun was able to get out of the way. The ump had to know it was intentional. He doesn't need to give a warning to toss someone.

Uh oh. Cards fans will be really pissed now.

Are you being serious? Garcia is a pretty good pitcher, though he's usually better at home. If Cliff Lee pitched like crap one night but made someone look foolish, would you say the same thing?If a pitcher's missed his spots and was nearing the end,I'd say the same thing.He didn't look like he belongs in the League,which he doesn't. Wilson shouldn't have been out there when you have even marginally better options on the bench I agree Wilson shouldn't be on the team but your reasoning (that he struck out against Jaime Garcia) is all wrong.

Based on what? His K/9 of 7.45? Or the fact he's pitched like crap tonightAre you being serious? Garcia is a pretty good pitcher, though he's usually better at home. If Cliff Lee pitched like crap one night but made someone look foolish, would you say the same thing?

Nostradamus?

Taylor Green? /half blue

Wow, as much crap as McGehee gets defensively, he does make some nice plays sometimes. Although he usually is better going to his right than left.

This is why we wanted Lopez starting. Wilson hasn't played for over a week, he looked awful at the plate and a bad defensive play (even though it was a tougher hop, I think Lopez would've got it).

I highly doubt anything La Russa said would affect the players. Half of them probably aren't even aware there was an issue.

His defense behind him killed Marcum way more than the strikezone True.

Hey now, we're not Cardinals fans.

This strikezone has killed Marcum. Yeah a lot could have gone either way but he hasn't gotten any borderline calls.

I think it was a bad decision to even attempt the throw by Hart. Yeah he would've been out had the throw been on line but he isn't accurate so chances are the throw wasn't going to be on line. He should've just thrown it to second and kept the DP in order.

Awful throw again from Prince. That is at least 5 terrible throws to home this year.

Umm yes. Unless you are working the lights at Miller Park, you have no effect on how they play.

Braun has had some ugly strikeouts lately.

Apparently they didn't change their signs up enough.

Put me in the camp that takes offense to this as well. The guy was just stating his opinion and you are trying to tear him down? Like I've said before, you seem like the one who belongs in the jsonline section, not anyone else. edit: and yes Lopez would be a better option than Wilson since he has actually been playing. If you want to get Wilson some at-bats, it should be in place of those times when Counsell starts. So let me gets this straight. Casey and Yuni get bashed over and over yet Lopez and his awful stats the last couple of years are better than what? Point was Wilson was the flavor of the week just recently and now he should never play? Opinions change so fast here, it is hard to keep things straight. Regardless of who plays, there is little difference and was confused by the JV lineup. Without Weeks and not having Morgan because of the lefty, this is just about the best lineup we have. 2b will be a downgrade until Weeks gets back and like Kotsay, Wilson and Counsell may get a start from time to time. Lopez will go 0-16 and then there will be complaints that he is in the lineup. Nobody can have a bad stretch or there should be changes immediately. I think RR does a great job of getting guys in and it's hard to complain with the results.Fixed your formatting for one. And nobody is saying anything about a bad stretch or anything. Again, this is not the jsonline board, we are informed over here (for the most part). As an example from earlier in the year, we all wanted Morgan/Gomez in CF and not Kotsay. But wait, Kotsay went like 4-6 over 2 games. We didn't care about because he was still the lesser player. We want the better player to get the start. Guys will go through bad stretches and we understand that. However, from a talent standpoint Lopez > Wilson. How much > is up for debate. And getting guys playing time doesn't matter if they are terrible. Should we be benching Hart/Braun/Morgan to get Kotsay/Carroll/Almonte/whatever other inferior OFs we had for more playing time? No, that would be stupid. Some guys just shouldn't be getting many starts period and unfortunately, we have quite a few guys who fall into that category (Counsell, Wilson, Kotsay). You could argue that is Melvin and not Roenicke. But when Roenicke gives Wilson/Counsell/Kotsay starts over better players like Hairston/Lopez, then yes, we will complain.

Well Josh Wilson is 0-2 with a HBP against Garcia in his career. So he does have a .333 OBP against him.

Be careful guys, they now know of this threads existence. We don't want to accidentally reveal the location of our secret sign-stealing equipment. Anyone notice how big Prince's belly looks at home compared to on the road?

So putting any of our other options at 2B makes that big of difference? Who do you want? Counsell or Lopez? And seeing there are mostly regulars in there I am baffled at the JV comment. Guess you are one of the JSonline guys mentioned in the other post. Put me in the camp that takes offense to this as well. The guy was just stating his opinion and you are trying to tear him down? Like I've said before, you seem like the one who belongs in the jsonline section, not anyone else. edit: and yes Lopez would be a better option than Wilson since he has actually been playing. If you want to get Wilson some at-bats, it should be in place of those times when Counsell starts.