TheCrew07

I'll try to explain my personal experience with this as well what's presented at various clinics I've attended. Strength has to be built back up in the knee which takes time, and it's different for every person. Lots of tedious stregthening excerises with bands and body weight, then light jogging, then half speed, 3/4 speed... you get the idea. Straight line movements are easiest, the lateral movements are the ones that take time and confidence. The knee is "sound" in 6-8 months, then the athlete has to rebuild the lost muscle strength in the leg and gain their confidence back. It's difficult to explain, but they just don't go "all out", or least the 6 kids I've worked with haven't. It takes a long time for them to get confidence back and just play, so everything they do is just plain slow until they get it in their head that the knee won't be a problem. It's difficult to explain, there's just no burst in their movements. Typically a player can be back playing in games in 9-10 months, but it usually takes much longer for them to get back to full speed, and that depends entirely on the individual, as that part is entirely mental. On the mental side the extreme case I was involved with personally was a girl basketball player. She was averaging double digit points and rebounds before the injury and a great defender for the team as a sophomore. She blew out her knee in early December and by April she was rehabbing every morning on her own (impressive dedication I might add) without any assistance, light jogging and stregthening phase. I kept an eye on her while we did plyos and weightlifting with the other kids, but she did a fantastic job sticking to her program. We just expected with her dedication and work ethic she'd make it back in record in time, and she did. The problem was that she was so slow it looked like she was moving in quicksand. We thought she'd get better as the year progressed but she didn't, and she was the exact same player a year later as a senior. Her stats basically were cut in half the rest of her career, and she couldn't guard an 80 year old man in a wheelchair, she just wouldn't push the knee at all. I'm sure Yo won't be that timid, but if he starts compensating for a lack of confidence in his knee and it throws off his delivery... well now he's looking at problems in the other joints in the same leg. Sometimes when an athlete favors one leg they create an issue in the other leg, with a pitcher maybe an issue with arm if he starts trying to over throw if he isn't generating enough push initially. It's best in my opinion to just him progress at his own natural pace, and not help him create any further issues by rushing him.

I'm trying to figure out if I should have my sarcasm detector turned on or not, cause Sabathia is far and away the better pitcher, and he's younger.

No athlete has ever come back and played at full strength within 6 months of an ACL reconstruction... The knee operation didn't happen immediately following the injury either, it was 2 or 3 weeks later. While anything is possible, it would literally be a miracle. Therefore, it's best to forget about Yo for 2008 and focus on what we have.

You missed the point. He's not paying Sheets out of his own pocket, the Brewers are paying Sheets. The Brewers have to remain fiscally responsible to remain a viable franchise. Therefore the owner's net worth is irrelevent. Big market teams have more money because they have a greater fan base to market too, so they get more money from everything from merchandising, to advertising, to tv contracts. Milwaukee has 1.6 million households... the next closest "small" market in the region is the Twins, and they have 3.2 households and do far worse. Milwaukee supports the team very well, but the revenue will plateau here, the Brewers have done everything they can do, there are only so many revenue streams available. If the revenue plateaus, that means the pool available for player salaries will also plateau. Unless Mark A. starts his own TV network that can exist only to promote the Brewers and provide the team with a fantastic TV contract, I don't how the playoffs would significantly impact player salaries. They might have a nice net windfall from it, maybe double digit Millions, but that's certainly not something the team can plan into their yearly fiscal budget, the playoffs are never garunteed. Unless playoff shares are a thing of the past, all of the players get a bonus, it's not like the ownership just gets all of the money for the team. We should be proud about how well the team is supported relative to the rest of the league, but we should also be realistic in our expectations. edit. Ennder that's just 1 year for Sheets, how do you keep coming up with the money as the younger players hit arby? Prince will get a huge pay increase, as will Hart. If Weeks figures out how to hit for average his Arby number shoots up as well. There has to be a cushion... Where exactly do they come up with 22 million a year for Sabathia? You say it like it's a realistic possibility?

Is there a way to edit out a quote within a quote? Poster B quotes Poster A and I want to respond to B, but when I click the quote button I end up with both quote boxes. Even if I delete the text in the box for Poster A, the lame box stays as an empty 1 line box. I get around this by cutting and pasting the specific text I want to quote to my reply, quoting it, and adding PosterB wrote: to the top to make it look like I quoted it. Is there a better or way or just my work around?

Maddux could be had for Gwynn straight up, if they want him.

I agree, Gindl and Fryer are both tearing it up, and Fryer is oldish for the league, no disrespect intended but Houin hasn't exactly torn it up between Helena and WV.

Well Jackson... who cares. Bryson has nice potential but he's in A ball, I can part with him since Bowman, Ordozzi, and Co are right behind him. Green is the one who's going to sting for me personally, he will be a LH Jeff Cirillo with bit more power. I realize they had to give value to get value, but I would have rather traded away another RH bat, I had resigned myself to Green going when it was reported they were scouting BC, so I've made my peace with it. All in All, I like the move 30 times better than the Linebrink deal. This stings me personally as one of my favorite prospects goes, but it's a good move for the Brewers. edit. I should add that if it comes down to Green or Lucroy, I have no idea who I'd rather have them take. I know I said a RH bat but I was thinking more along the lines of Cain, C has been a black hole for so long we need options there, especially with Salome's issues behind the dish.

Different situation, this is a rental, Yo is pre-arby. We will pay out the Kazoo if we want pitching this off season, around 18 mil/per or we trade Fielder for a similar contract pitcher like Jame Shields, both will make about the same in Arby and are premium players. If we dont' move fielder, it would be Weeks, Hardy, or Hall with a boatload of prospects, that's the price of someone we can control more than 3 months.

Yankess, Bo Sox, Mets, Dodgers, Cubs all come to mind. Maybe the Angels, maybe San Fran looking to make a splash, that would be a nice 1-3 over there. BrewCrewBaseball... Sabathia already turned that deal down from Cleveland, if he wouldn't give them a discount, why would he give us one?

I don't know why I find that comment so funny but I'm still laughing.

This keeps getting posted, the Brewers can barely afford 1, and Sabathia wants and probably deserves a Santana contract. There is no way the Brewers can go 7 years and 20+ per. Santana money people...please let that sink in, they Brewers are not resigning him. Enjoy his time here and the 2 draft picks next summer, hopefully this season turns into something special. Resigning Sabathia is not realistic, he wouldn't take Sheets money from Cleveland which is why he's available in the first place, they offered him something like 4 years and 79 mil.

I'm starting to think Attanasio is wealthier far beyond what we have believed up until now. For that reason, I think anything is possiible. What does Mark A's wealth have to do with anything? I would hope he's not going to let the team lose money, and would operate it in a fiscally responsible manner longterm. Otherwise he just has a play toy and the franchise will be worse off financially than when he bought it. If he's in it for the long haul, he didn't make his money by overspending his income, he know how to handle money. This market generates a finite maximum amount of income. Unless they raise ticket prices 25% across the board, where is this money going to come from? They tapped every revenue stream they can since Mark A took over, and attendance is already pushing 3 Mil. A new TV contract will help some, but the Brewers are doing great being the smallest market with an average payroll (I've seen reports of 15th and 17th biggest payroll). How much farther can they realistically go? The Brewers can probably afford 4 year deal, but in those last 2 years the budget is going to be awful thin. Any large market team that wants Sheets or Sabathia will just add years, and I'm sorry but I want no part of paying a 36 year old Ben Sheets at 18 mil per year. Again this a guy who's only pitched over 170 innings 3 times in his entire career, he's not a work horse like Santana or Sabathia has been, and someone is going to overpay him. If they are going sign a free agent, hitters are typically the much safer bet, and Melvin is not Taylor so don't even go to the Hammond card.

Brantley is in AA, LaPorta is the only AA player going, Brantley is not part of the deal.

Lucroy was a name that I wasn't expecting and for some reason never considered, that would be 3 top flight position player prospects 1 being a catcher... The Brewers would have way over paid to make this happen, my goodness.

On the surface I like this trade, if it doesn't include Green, Braddock, or Jeffress. If it does we damn well better go to the world series or this wouldn't have been worth it.

Not even close, Reggie was a free agent, and he played the rest of his career in GB (well except for the coming out of retirement nonsense). The Brewers will never be players in free agency until the economics of baseball change, and CC will not play a full year for the team. He's more like Rison, if the Brewers do in fact make the playoffs. edit. The other prospect isn't someone in Huntsville, so as long as it's not Jeffress or Braddock I guess I'll deal. Green still bothers me though.

Why would we aquire another Dave Bush for 12 mil/year? In fact, Bush has always been healthy, while Burnett hasn't, I dont' see how that stabilizes our rotation at all, considering that Suppan and Bush are very replaceable the way it is. McClung is growing on me, he might actually be a nice back of the rotation kind of guy.

Lame Cleveland wanting all my prized LH bats, I step out and work on the yard for a few hours come back and see Brantley mentioned... Trading away Brantley and Green would leave Gamel as the only potential starting caliber LH Bat. I know Nelson is LH, and he may yet get a chance, but I'm not counting on it. I liked Cleveland quite a bit up until Friday, now they are really starting to get on nerves, I realize that they have a responsibility to the organization to get the best deal they can for Sabathia, but he's still just a rental and LaPorta is a top prospect MLB wide, not just in the Brewers system.

Trade Fielder in the offseason for Shields, Price, or a different top of the rotation starter and he'll need to be replaced right away.

The world will continue to turn if Sabathia doesn't end up a Brewer. All that means is that there are more assets available to aquire longterm solutions over the winter. None of the others pitchers out there currently are as valuable as CC, though I'm not exactly excited by the names that are out there either. Maddux would be alright be he's inexpensive, but I don't really want the other guys including Bedard and Burnett. edited to clarify position

There are still many people that don't chop up their quotes which is annoying. Way too many 1 liners about nothing. I agree with the mods that because of the fast paced nature of the thread people were treating it like an in game thread. It went from a thread with great discussion to a thread lacking substance in a hurry. How many "what's new?", "this is exciting", "when is the deal going to happen?" posts do you need?

Pena, Ryan, and Aguilar certainly aren't pushing the promotion issue like they could be...

Yes that's the way I remember it too... it could have been the FSL game.. West All-Stars Top 6th Defensive Substitution: Alcides Escobar replaces shortstop Jose Castro, batting 2nd, playing shortstop. Defensive Substitution: Chris Amador replaces center fielder Tyler Colvin, batting 3rd, playing center field. Defensive Substitution: Mark Hamilton replaces first baseman Rhyne Hughes, batting 5th, playing first base. Defensive Substitution: Dustin Martin replaces right fielder Jesus Valdez, batting 7th, playing right field. Defensive Substitution: Christian Lopez replaces catcher Drew Butera, batting 8th, playing catcher. Pitcher Change: Ben Stanczyk replaces Tyler Norrick. Lou Marson grounds out, pitcher Ben Stanczyk to shortstop Alcides Escobar to first baseman Mark Hamilton. Adam Rosales grounds out, shortstop Alcides Escobar to first baseman Mark Hamilton. Cory Patton strikes out swinging. That seems like the correct sequence of events to me, second play of the inning... edit. Because I'm dumb

JJ can play short for quite a few MLB teams. I'm unsure why he gets sold so short around here. It appears that he lost a step after his ankle injury, but he has great instincts and a very solid & accurate arm. I'd rather dump Weeks and move him to 2nd, but I'm not opposed to moving Hardy for pitching.