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Never had a garden but I had some neighbors when I was a kid who had them and green beans, peas and tomatoes grew really well for them.

How? I think teams would prefer to have relievers on one year deals. Too much volatility to want them for more than the one season. It's not like Broxton's trade value was helped because he had an extra year.

$13 million for a replacement level reliever the past 3 years who was below replacement level last year. http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/002/626/doing-it-wrong.jpg

I hate this, mainly because this appears to be Attanasio negotiating for a player again and I think K-Rod is a gigantic piece of crap.

That's all I'm looking for is for you to agree that the pick was available to us. Obviously it's a risk. The Lakers could drop to 6th this year and that pick would be awesome. They could win it this year, sign a bunch of free agents and win 55 games next year even though I think that's highly unlikely. I don't think that pick is any riskier than MCW though and would be willing to take a chance that it turns into a better asset. I understand Kidd wanted MCW. What I don't understand is waiting a little bit longer. They could've offered Ennis and our pick for him. Maybe they did and Philly declined but they should've been patient. If they decline, then you move on and wait until after the season to try again. Explore any combo of players and picks without Giannis, Parker or the Lakers pick to see if you can get a deal done. Then if you can't and still really want MCW, go ahead and trade the pick for him. Like I said, I'm fine with the deal overall. I'm glad we're not going to be paying Knight and I'm glad we got 3 solid young assets. I just think they went ahead and gave a potentially great asset away too quick.

Thornburg says he's fine and hasn't been told he's under any restrictions in Arizona. Henderson is reporting no pain. They added Chris Perez and Neal Cotts. Jeffress threw the ball very well last year. They are paying Broxton $9 million. Will Smith is still here. So is Kintzler Where's the glaring need? K-Rod's presence doesn't improve the pen significantly. Knebel as well. It's time to cut the cord on K-Rod. Okay pitcher, piece of crap person.

Yes, yes they did. They traded Knight for the two Suns players and the pick. That pick was then traded for MCW. I don't care whether or not they wanted it or wanted MCW more. The point is, they could've had it and they should've kept it. If you want MCW, that's fine, offer our own pick for him. Offer our pick and Ennis. Just don't say, here take this likely lottery pick for him. Negotiate a little. If you can't agree to a deal now, revisit it in the offseason. There's no rush. Except if that's the way it went down, somebody in the media would've said that. You're just rationalizing at this point. We are the ones who brought Philly into the conversation. Knight for Ennis, Plumlee and the Lakers pick gets done without the Sixers because the only players the Suns received came from us. That's my whole point. This really shouldn't be that hard to understand but so many people are having trouble understanding it or just rationalizing it because they realize how bad the Lakers pick for MCW is value wise. Honestly. When we got involved in the discussions, whenever that may have been and we found out that the Suns were willing to trade that pick for Knight, why are we not immediately accepted? Tell the Suns to just cut the Sixers out of the deal. The Suns didn't need them in the deal anyways, since they got nothing from them. Are you telling me that the Suns would then decline the trade because the Lakers pick would be going to us instead of the Sixers? You may not think we wanted the pick. You may not think we ever had the pick. My point the whole time has been that we could have had the pick and that is indisputable.

With 4 turnovers and some of the worst efficiency in the league. He may improve with us, it would be difficult to be any worse but it's a huge gamble trading that Lakers pick for him and that's essentially what we did.

The discussion could have been between Phoenix & Philadelphia for the 1st round pick + for MCW, but perhaps Phoenix decided they didn't want MCW, so they got Milwaukee involved for Brandon Knight? Perhaps Milwaukee didn't want the pick and instead wanted an asset. We just don't know. Stating matter of factly that Milwaukee could have been sitting with the Lakers 2015 First Round pick seems disingenous. Umm, they could have had it. What's so hard to understand about this? You say it could have been around the 1st round pick plus for MCW but that Phoenix wouldn't want to do that deal. So once again, why would we need Philly involved to get that pick? The Suns obviously wanted Brandon Knight and that's all they got. They didn't need Philly in this deal, we were the ones who got them involved for whatever reason. So yes, I am stating matter of factly that they could have gotten the Lakers pick for Knight because it should be freaking obvious to everyone that they could have. It's obvious that they wanted MCW instead of the pick. My question to that is why based on what I've seen from MCW and where I think that Lakers pick will end up. I'm glad we're not paying Knight, I'm glad we were able to get Ennis and Plumlee back for him. I absolutely despise that the Lakers pick was sent to Philly for MCW.

Of course it was available! The Suns traded the Lakers pick, Plumlee and Ennis and got back Knight. That's it. No players or picks from the Sixers. Are you saying the Suns wouldn't have done that deal just with the Bucks but somehow, for some reason agreed to it when Philly got involved?

Sure, they weren't actually in possession of the asset but they could've been. That's the point I was making. By just cutting Philly out, that pick could've been theirs. And yeah, they probably wouldn't get the pick this year but it's only top 3 protected for the next 2 years and unprotected in 2018. You think the Lakers are going to have a mid 1st round pick next year? To me they're almost a guaranteed lottery team. At best I think they're 11th in the Western Conference. I'll take that gamble all day long, especially when the other gamble is a player as bad as MCW.

The pick was never the Bucks asset. It went straight from Phoenix to Philly and was neccessary to reach a 3 team deal. Sure it was. Phoenix only got a player from us. We could have easily cut out Philly and taken Ennis, Plumlee and the pick. It was a deal between us and Phoenix and we then flipped that pick to Philly for MCW.

I'm saying we should've kept that pick. That is way too valuable of an asset to give up for a player that's been as bad as MCW to hope Kidd can mold him into a good player.

Absolutely awful to ship that Lakers pick for MCW.

He's a career .261/.385/.448 hitter against lefties. You can hate the defense, you can hate using a roster spot on a 2B, corner OF only but you can't hate the bat against lefties.

Kidd likes a center who can pass as well. Kanter doesn't do that well either.

Parker was pretty bad this year. It's okay, most rookies are but him being off the court improved the team. As for the team being improved. Kidd is much better than Drew and they have one of, if not the best group of assistant coaches in the NBA. That and they're actually trying to win. Look at all the teams in the East that are awful and either weren't trying to win from the beginning or got off to bad starts and decided to throw in the towel on the season.

This makes it sound like we would've given up a top prospect if Philly would've agreed to take Broxton. How incredibly stupid.

It was posted on January 13th. Gallardo was traded on the 20th.

That Selig Experience gets more embarrassing every time I read about it.

The Padres are weird. They have a potentially really good offensive outfield that will likely be a disaster defensively. Their infield is horrid. The pitching is solid and the bullpen is pretty good.

Harrison drew more walks in 180 at bats than Jones has drawn in 2,000.* *That may not be true

Uhh, sure it does. The Pirates farm system is much better than ours.

They're 6-15 against teams over .500.