Maximizing Burnes and Woodruff

[BrewerFan]

13 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I still try to extend Woodruff. Maybe the injury bumps him down a few bucks.

I probably trade Burnes.

I let Adames play out the string and hope he's worth a QO after 2024.

This is what I'd do. The shoulder may have Woodruff considering an extension ala Luis Castillo.

Burnes is gone most likely. Just too far down that road. Best case is he pitches out of his mind, great 2nd half, great playoff run, jack up his value and then flip him to a team like the Dodgers for a guy like Bobby Miller and a couple lower rated prospects. Or whoever...the Dodgers have so many high upside arms, it doesn't have to be a top 50 guy. 

The Mets are another obvious choice along with the Phillies given the division they're in. Given the transition we're going into, I wouldn't be against pairing Williams with Burnes to try and pry away a guy like Painter from the Phils with Baker and Ottenbreit. One big time prospect, plus a couple of power arms with various issue.

 

Anyway, I still believe we're a team that can't afford to just let guys walk without compensation and with so many of our position prospects already up and/or projected to be up by next year, I'd like a couple more young pitchers on their same time timeline. 

I no longer believe the "window closes," after Burnes, Woody and Adames as I once did. I think it looks WIDE open in 2025. Could be open even wider if we were able to parlay Burnes into another really nice pitching prospect. Of course...I'm skeptical the Phils would consider it.

[BrewerFan]

10 hours ago, nate82 said:

This would also be a year where the Brewers have a comp A pick.  So after the first round assuming Adames, Burnes and Woodruff all decline their QO and sign with another team that would be 4 picks after the 1st round for the Brewers in ‘25.

A bit of a gamble but no more than gambling on the prospects you would get in return via trades.  

I think it's a much bigger gamble to go with the draft picks rather than MiLB prospects who we've seen play for a couple years. Guys who may be in AA by the time we make the trade for them.

There's FAR less variation between them and a prep arm or even a College bat at that point in the draft.

 

Plus, you're likely getting one very highly rated prospect for Burnes, plus a couple other lower level guys who've already been signed and again, dealt with pro-ball. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I no longer believe the "window closes," after Burnes, Woody and Adames as I once did. I think it looks WIDE open in 2025. Could be open even wider if we were able to parlay Burnes into another really nice pitching prospect. Of course...I'm skeptical the Phils would consider it.

This is one of the most exciting and under-rated aspects of 2023. The Brewers are showing real promise on the farm and with young players where as recently as last season, they had a ton of question marks that made contending in 2025 difficult to predict.

Chourio and Quero's emergence solidify the lineup, along with the varying performances of Wiemer, Turang, Frelick, et al.

But really where the Brewers looked thin going forward was pitching. While Misiorowski doesn't patch all of the holes, he's looking like a HUGE step in the right direction to fill in after Burnes and/or Woodruff leave.

[wiguy94]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

This is what I'd do. The shoulder may have Woodruff considering an extension ala Luis Castillo.

Burnes is gone most likely. Just too far down that road. Best case is he pitches out of his mind, great 2nd half, great playoff run, jack up his value and then flip him to a team like the Dodgers for a guy like Bobby Miller and a couple lower rated prospects. Or whoever...the Dodgers have so many high upside arms, it doesn't have to be a top 50 guy. 

The Mets are another obvious choice along with the Phillies given the division they're in. Given the transition we're going into, I wouldn't be against pairing Williams with Burnes to try and pry away a guy like Painter from the Phils with Baker and Ottenbreit. One big time prospect, plus a couple of power arms with various issue.

 

Anyway, I still believe we're a team that can't afford to just let guys walk without compensation and with so many of our position prospects already up and/or projected to be up by next year, I'd like a couple more young pitchers on their same time timeline. 

I no longer believe the "window closes," after Burnes, Woody and Adames as I once did. I think it looks WIDE open in 2025. Could be open even wider if we were able to parlay Burnes into another really nice pitching prospect. Of course...I'm skeptical the Phils would consider it.

Painter just had TJ yesterday (or within last couple of days) so he’s not going to be pitching in games again until 2025

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Painter just had TJ yesterday (or within last couple of days) so he’s not going to be pitching in games again until 2025

Well...he could just as easily be back pitching next Sept or whatever, but I genuinely don't care if he's back next year or if he waits and maybe throws in the AFL and then is all the way back in '25. He's an ELITE pitching prospect and I'd almost rather get a pitcher after a TJ than before when he's accruing service time.

I think that's dreaming a little bit as Burnes has just one year left, but we should get something significant for him.

[BrewerFan]

10 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

This is one of the most exciting and under-rated aspects of 2023. The Brewers are showing real promise on the farm and with young players where as recently as last season, they had a ton of question marks that made contending in 2025 difficult to predict.

Chourio and Quero's emergence solidify the lineup, along with the varying performances of Wiemer, Turang, Frelick, et al.

But really where the Brewers looked thin going forward was pitching. While Misiorowski doesn't patch all of the holes, he's looking like a HUGE step in the right direction to fill in after Burnes and/or Woodruff leave.

Yeah. I'm not completely sold on Misiorowski being a future Burnes or Woodruff, but I don't know that we need that. I'm sold on it if he can get the innings in and throw 110IP in AA next year. I'm a little worried that he's so good he's going to move quickly, be a part of our pen as soon as this year and then we're kinda in that Ashby area with him spending a few years wanting to do what's best with the team but not fully developing him.

BUT...the way the Brewers find these arms who are competent and just looking back to Counsel's NLCS run, I think we've ignored what got us there and decided we need two guys in the top 5 in Cy Young voting in order to win. We've got a BP that will have Williams, Uribe, Payamps, Peguero and who the hell else in a year or two. Peralta, Gasser, hopefully Ashby is good(I'd be letting him sit until next STing after having shoulder surgery, but I'm also ignorant as to the nature of it, just nothing scarier for a pitcher than shoulder surgery). After that, you could have Misirowoski obvious, Carlos Rodriguez, maybe Jarvis, Small. Not giving up on either yet, look at Rich Hill's early years.

And we find pitchers who have just that one thing that needs to be corrected and work with them SO well, it's just such a luxury.

 

We're not in Rays territory yet...but we're DEFINITELY trending in that direction more than we've ever been in franchise history. 

[brewmann04]

I think the crew will look into moving them all in the off-season. 

[rickh150]

2 hours ago, brewmann04 said:

I think the crew will look into moving them all in the off-season. 

For prospects?

[RobDeer 45]

I also agree, I don't like the idea of letting them walk for picks.  That feels way too risky and I want guys that are ready sooner than later to match up with our young guys coming up.