Brewers (Burnes) vs Pirates (TBD): 9/4/23, 5:35pm

[wiguy94]

14 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Again you could have posted this response without the name calling and acting better than. Everyone can appreciate data. The acting like a jerk is what we can do without. Simple. Your point gets lost in the garbage of name calling especially given you could choose to say nothing at all. Take a look at your original response and tell me it was necessary aside from your data.

Weird because I never called you a name. I said you spewed total nonsense because you just totally made something up that was very obviously not true. I didn't say you were stupid. I didn't say you were a moron. I said you spewed nonsense.

Conversely you did dip into personal insults. You called me a "keyboard bad guy" (fyi it's keyboard warrior). You not so subtly implied you would physically beat me up and kept telling me to meet you in person (threatening physical harm...yikes). You said I live in my grandma's basement. I never called you a name. I never hurled out insults towards your character. I said your patently false statement was nonsense that's it. No name calling.

[Team Canada]

Let's just move on...

[willie key]

11 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Literally did that right above and you even commented on me checking myself. I try to keep all my comments based on fact/reality and not wild opinions that aren't remotely associated with reality like your post that started all of this. Your post that said Burnes throws all of his pitches around the same speed and that's why he struggles when in reality he doesn't throw any 2 pitches the same speed other than his 2 FB especially with his new sweeper that he's using in place of his slider.

FB Sinker - 95

FB Cutter - 94

CH - 89

SL - 85

CB - 80

4 pitch types with unique velocities and movement profiles. Not even close to 4 pitches that are around the same velocity.

Is he throwing all those different pitches when he’s getting knocked around though?   Or is he falling in love with hard hard hard sometimes.      I don’t know.    It was an observation from a poster.            
 

you both can be right

 

i enjoyed this though     This is a real game thread 

 

some people have a poster from Brad  Pitt in fight club on their wall    Some have a poster of Brad pitt telling Oakland a’s not to bunt or steal on their wall

To each their own

 

 

[Bulldogboy]

8 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Weird because I never called you a name. I said you spewed total nonsense because you just totally made something up that was very obviously not true. I didn't say you were stupid. I didn't say you were a moron. I said you spewed nonsense.

Conversely you did dip into personal insults. You called me a "keyboard bad guy" (fyi it's keyboard warrior). You not so subtly implied you would physically beat me up and kept telling me to meet you in person (threatening physical harm...yikes). You said I live in my grandma's basement. I never called you a name. I never hurled out insults towards your character. I said your patently false statement was nonsense that's it. No name calling.

Again why say anything at all. I ignore things I don't agree with or think are true all the time. It's weird that you think it's your job to correct things especially when there is nothing that indicates what you are saying is true at all. This would be a better place without people thinking it's thier job to correct people. Just keep scrolling or better yet block people you don't want to see post. I'm guessing you probably wouldn't have too many left.

[Bulldogboy]

8 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Weird because I never called you a name. I said you spewed total nonsense because you just totally made something up that was very obviously not true. I didn't say you were stupid. I didn't say you were a moron. I said you spewed nonsense.

Conversely you did dip into personal insults. You called me a "keyboard bad guy" (fyi it's keyboard warrior). You not so subtly implied you would physically beat me up and kept telling me to meet you in person (threatening physical harm...yikes). You said I live in my grandma's basement. I never called you a name. I never hurled out insults towards your character. I said your patently false statement was nonsense that's it. No name calling.

This is jerk behavior 

[wiguy94]

3 hours ago, willie key said:

Is he throwing all those different pitches when he’s getting knocked around though?   Or is he falling in love with hard hard hard sometimes.      I don’t know.    It was an observation from a poster.            
 

you both can be righT

See no there is not both can be right here because Burnes throwing everything the same speed is just not even remotely true. Why is this hard for you guys to understand. 
 

Here are the pitches Burnes got knocked around on yesterday. 
 

87.7 mph Changeup

95.3 mph Cutter

79.9 mph Curveball

81.3 mph Curveball

82.7 mph Slider

[wiguy94]

2 hours ago, Bulldogboy said:

Again why say anything at all. I ignore things I don't agree with or think are true all the time. It's weird that you think it's your job to correct things especially when there is nothing that indicates what you are saying is true at all. This would be a better place without people thinking it's thier job to correct people. Just keep scrolling or better yet block people you don't want to see post. I'm guessing you probably wouldn't have too many left.

Because I feel it’s necessary for posters that post completely made up nonsense that don’t have any semblance of truth/reality to have their posts corrected. 

Why don’t you just not make stuff up going forward and then I won’t have to correct you?

[yourout]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

See no there is not both can be right here because Burnes throwing everything the same speed is just not even remotely true. Why is this hard for you guys to understand. 
 

Here are the pitches Burnes got knocked around on yesterday. 
 

87.7 mph Changeup

95.3 mph Cutter

79.9 mph Curveball

81.3 mph Curveball

82.7 mph Slider

I would be most interested in his locations.

[wiguy94]

11 minutes ago, yourout said:

I would be most interested in his locations.

The offspeed and breaking balls were all basically just down the middle. The cutter was a back door cutter to Suwinski that just leaked out over the plate a bit too much that he hit the HR to CF on.

I agree with your opinion that Burnes doesn’t use the top of the zone enough so hitters can just keep their eyes on the lower half of the zone. Makes commanding pitches pretty important because hitters will be able to get good contact on mistake pitches when they are only looking at the lower half of the zone.

Even when Burnes was throwing a 4 seam FB back in 18 and 19 he wasn’t really utilizing the pitch up the zone. The guy just for whatever reason doesn’t like pitching up there.

[yourout]

3 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

The offspeed and breaking balls were all basically just down the middle. The cutter was a back door cutter to Suwinski that just leaked out over the plate a bit too much that he hit the HR to CF on.

I agree with your opinion that Burnes doesn’t use the top of the zone enough so hitters can just keep their eyes on the lower half of the zone. Makes commanding pitches pretty important because hitters will be able to get good contact on mistake pitches when they are only looking at the lower half of the zone.

Even when Burnes was throwing a 4 seam FB back in 18 and 19 he wasn’t really utilizing the pitch up the zone. The guy just for whatever reason doesn’t like pitching up there.

The thing that makes Freddy and Woo effective is the ability to use the upper quadrants of the zone. So many of todays hitter's swing paths are geared for pitches from knees to thighs. Part of the reason sinker ballers are much less effective today than 10-15 years ago.

[Bulldogboy]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

Because I feel it’s necessary for posters that post completely made up nonsense that don’t have any semblance of truth/reality to have their posts corrected. 

Why don’t you just not make stuff up going forward and then I won’t have to correct you?

But nobody cares what you have to say. Again your opinion. You told two provable lies in a span of two messages. You are definitely not the arbiter of truth. Tell grandma to let you out and play instead of scrolling through messages boards trying to be the Bill James of Brewers fans. 

[Bulldogboy]

53 minutes ago, yourout said:

I would be most interested in his locations.

You can't argue with Buster Olney. It's his life's mission unfortunately. He could do charity work or feed the poor but he is dedicated to defending Corbin Burnes on this board. Perhaps Corbin will bring him to the next arbitration hearing. 

[wiguy94]

6 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

You can't argue with Buster Olney. It's his life's mission unfortunately. He could do charity work or feed the poor but he is dedicated to defending Corbin Burnes on this board. Perhaps Corbin will bring him to the next arbitration hearing. 

I literally never defended Burnes lmao. He pitched terrible yesterday. Me saying Burnes doesn’t throw all of his pitches the same speed like you said he does isn’t defending him.  

[wiguy94]

35 minutes ago, yourout said:

The thing that makes Freddy and Woo effective is the ability to use the upper quadrants of the zone. So many of todays hitter's swing paths are geared for pitches from knees to thighs. Part of the reason sinker ballers are much less effective today than 10-15 years ago.

To be fair to Burnes even if he was willing and wanted to do what Freddy and Woodruff do with their FB he couldn’t. He just can’t spin the FB in the optimized way Woodruff and Peralta do. His 4 seamer was always flatter than either of those 2. 
 

Burnes using a 4 seamer up in the zone would be far more similar to the way Houser uses his 4 seamer. Not as a putaway pitch necessarily but as a pitch that makes his cutter and other pitches play better and that keeps the hitter focused on all quadrants of the zone not just the lower half.

[Bulldogboy]

Burnes needs to diversify his arsenal to ensure that hitters are more off balance when facing him throughout his starts. He is not having a great year and doing so will make him harder to hit imo. See Freddy Peralta Changeup success. That's it and I'm right. The end.