Lastings Milledge to WASH, Brian Schneider And Ryan Church to NYM

[brettac1]

And he does nasty rap.

 

Black Jack McDowell made horrible grunge music. I guess I don't see why him making "nasty rap" really means anything.

[brosto1]

It wasn't long ago that Chris Young was Arizona's third best OF prospect. Braun was our third or fourth best IF prospect when he was Milledge's age. Corey Hart at one time was behind Dave Krynzel and Brad Nelson as an OF prospect according to some. Carl Crawford it could have been argued was Tampa's third best OF prospect behind Baldelli and Hamilton.

 

It also was a little more than one year ago that Milledge was the top prospect of the three, and it could be argued still will be the best of three OF the Mets had.

[DrWood]

I didn't say he'd be no good. But if you really think he's the third-best guy in your system, AND THEY ARE ALL about MLB-ready, there is no real loss. Braun was NEVER the third or fourth best prospect, certainly after a full-season. Hart was NEVER a lower OF prospect than Krynzel (at least among anyone that understood baseball), though perhaps he was the third best 1b prospect at some time (though they were all in low minors). Pretty sure you're making it up about crawford, too. AND I said zero cost IF they were right about their assessment of Milledge. There are plenty of guys that are very high prospects in the low minors, before their shortcomings are uncovered.

 

nasty, misogynistic rap is a PR problem for your team. being a bad musician is not.

[dadofandrew]

I think some had Braun rated well down the list early on in his career, maybe low top 10 or just out of it.

 

As pointed out, Lastings was about average as a 22 year-old. That's a good indicator he's going to be very good.

[molitor fan]

http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewPower50PlayerTracker.do?playerId=843

 

Brosto and Al are absolutely correct Woody - here is the listing of the power 50 archive for Braun. I wish Milledge was on the Brewers, and will leave it at that.

[pogokat]

"Braun was NEVER the third or fourth best prospect, certainly after a full-season. Hart was NEVER a lower OF prospect than Krynzel (at least among anyone that understood baseball), though perhaps he was the third best 1b prospect at some time (though they were all in low minors). Pretty sure you're making it up about crawford, too. AND I said zero cost IF they were right about their assessment of Milledge. There are plenty of guys that are very high prospects in the low minors, before their shortcomings are uncovered. "

 

Condescension is heavily frowned upon here. Please refrain from it in the future.

[DrWood]

http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewPower50PlayerTracker.do?playerId=843

 

Brosto and Al are absolutely correct Woody - here is the listing of the power 50 archive for Braun. I wish Milledge was on the Brewers, and will leave it at that.

 

um, based on that link, he was never lower than second, overall, after a full season in the minors.

[DrWood]

"Braun was NEVER the third or fourth best prospect, certainly after a full-season. Hart was NEVER a lower OF prospect than Krynzel (at least among anyone that understood baseball), though perhaps he was the third best 1b prospect at some time (though they were all in low minors). Pretty sure you're making it up about crawford, too. AND I said zero cost IF they were right about their assessment of Milledge. There are plenty of guys that are very high prospects in the low minors, before their shortcomings are uncovered. "

 

Condescension is heavily frowned upon here. Please refrain from it in the future.

 

sure, but could you tell me where I was condescending? Are there any people who are proud of thinking highly of Krynzel? that's the only place where I could detect condescension.

[pogokat]

1. "at least among anyone that understood baseball"

 

2. "you're making it up about crawford"

 

these are condescending because you are suggesting in the first that those that diasagreed with your assessment know nothing about baseball, and in the second example that the person who mentioned crawford is lying.

[DrWood]

I wrote that folks that thought highly of Krynzel were wrong. Is that wrong?

[PeaveyFury]

No, you wrote that anyone who thought highly of Krynzel 'doesn't understand baseball,' and that IS wrong.

[brosto1]

Tampa had Hamilton, Baldelli, and Crawford in the minors from 2000-2002 each year Hamilton was Baseball America's top ranked Devil Rays' prospect. Crawford and Baldelli were two and three among OF prospects with much debate about who was the better prospect, and that isn't even mentioning Upton drafted in 2002 who would eventually move to the OF as well. Crawford played 62 games in the majors in 2002 while Baldelli was the minor league player of the year while tearing up three levels of the minors as a twenty year old OF.

[Fatter than Joey]

Good deal for the Mets. Church is solid, and Schneider will fill a good role on that team as well.

 

This was my initial reaction.

 

It seems like Milledge has been in the trade rumors for a couple of seasons now. I tend to believe that Church and Schneider weren't targets for the Mets, but probably the best offer they got that somewhat addressed their needs. I would have rather made some sort of deal with WAS to get Schneider than signing Kendall.

 

I don't think that there is any question that Milledge has the tools to be a fantastic player, so I certainly do not think WASH is stupid for rolling the dice on Milledge.

 

Keep in mind that the Mets are always able to make a splash with expensive FAs as well -- unlike the Brewers. If the Brewers traded Prince tomorrow e.g., we wouldn't be able to sign the next 50 HR/season 1b that hit the market -- the Mets could on the other hand, so I think they can be a little more aggressive in dumping a talent like Milledge.

[DrWood]

No, you wrote that anyone who thought highly of Krynzel 'doesn't understand baseball,' and that IS wrong.

 

I dunno if it was wrong. it was true, though.

[PeaveyFury]

I dunno if it was wrong. it was true, though.

 

It was wrong, per the rules of this forum.

[mothershipconnection]

Hart was NEVER a lower OF prospect than Krynzel (at least among anyone that understood baseball)

 

Yep, which is why every scout in baseball passed Hart over time and again during the draft. Now, you could say the situations aren't the same since Hart was the victim of being foolishly overlooked, but that doesn't erase the fact that Krynzel was once actually a serious prospect. All that aside, prefacing any part of a debate over players or anything that isn't cut and dried with "if you knew what you're talking about", is going to do nothing but cause trouble.

 

 

Pretty sure you're making it up about crawford, too.

 

Pretty sure the information actually exists and you could debunk something legitimately without lazily calling someone a liar.

 

Edit: wow, that took 3 seconds with Google. Per baseball america:

2000 - Josh Hamilton

2001 - Josh Hamilton

2002 - Josh Hamilton

2003 - Rocco Baldelli.

 

 

I dunno if it was wrong. it was true, though.

 

Really, that's not arrogant? I'm pretty sure you're just baiting and trolling now.

[DrWood]

Hart was NEVER a lower OF prospect than Krynzel (at least among anyone that understood baseball)

 

Yep, which is why every scout in baseball passed Hart over time and again during the draft. Now, you could say the situations aren't the same since Hart was the victim of being foolishly overlooked, but that doesn't erase the fact that Krynzel was once actually a serious prospect. All that aside, prefacing any part of a debate over players or anything that isn't cut and dried with "if you knew what you're talking about", is going to do nothing but cause trouble.

 

 

Pretty sure you're making it up about crawford, too.

 

Pretty sure the information actually exists and you could debunk something legitimately without lazily calling someone a liar.

 

Edit: wow, that took 3 seconds with Google. Per baseball america:

2000 - Josh Hamilton

2001 - Josh Hamilton

2002 - Josh Hamilton

2003 - Rocco Baldelli.

 

 

I dunno if it was wrong. it was true, though.

 

Really, that's not arrogant? I'm pretty sure you're just baiting and trolling now.

 

Well, Hamilton was first overall pick and was highly thought of until his career was derailed, and if it is now permanently on-track, he's probably STILL a better player than Crawford. Crawford was in the majors (2002, no wonder he wasn't their top minor leaguer in 2003, eh?) before Baldelli, and outperformed him consistently at a higher league, although they were the same age. None of the guys are bad MLB players, when healthy in body and mind. regarding Hart and Krynzel, I specifically mentioned Hart as an OF. By the time Hart was moved there, Krynzel's shortcomings were pretty obvious (not that it's impossible for him to remake himself and still have a career).

[brosto1]

Baldelli was an athlete taken sixth overall based on his athleticism. He tore up three levels in 2002 finishing the season in Durham. Crawford beat Baldelli to the majors by two months, but Baldelli didn't exactly come from out of nowhere rather his skills finally caught up with his athleticism.