Brewers Sign Julio Teheran to MLB Deal

I would much rather give someone like Boushley a chance than throw money at Lindblom 2.0.  He isn't stellar either but he is already in the organisation and is pitching better so far this season,

He was a somebody in the game once, which I guess is better than Rea, Junk etc. 

Not really surprising it is a major league deal considering they have no starter on Thursday and giving Rea another start tonight after lasting three innings last time around.

The term "warm body' comes to mind.

The guys who may have a future here (Gasser, Small) are having command issues & Gasser would a require 40-man roster move anyway, which I suspect they don't want to do. That leaves the Boushley, Junk type promotion and frankly I'd rather see them roll the dice with Teheran for whatever time this is needed.

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

The guys who may have a future here (Gasser, Small) are having command issues & Gasser would a require 40-man roster move anyway, which I suspect they don't want to do. That leaves the Boushley, Junk type promotion and frankly I'd rather see them roll the dice with Teheran for whatever time this is needed.

Can we stop with the Small nonsense? Think about it, he pitched in the majors last year, so he’s on the 40 man roster. The reality is he’s a former first round pick from college: in other words a player they invested millions in and who they believed was close to MLB ready when drafted.
 

They had him try to make the team as a lefty reliever this year and he could not do it. They thought so much of his ability as a SP they called up a journeymen Rea and Junk before Small, then signed Tehran to a major league deal before calling up Small. He’s another in seemingly long line of first round busts under David Stearns. 

5 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

In 2022, he pitched in the independent Atlantic League before heading to pitch in the Mexican League.

 

Sounds like a Brewer to me!

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

No doubt, Corey Ray was a bust. At the same time here are the 1st rounders drafted after him to put up even five WAR so far, #8 Cal Quantrill (7.4 WAR), #20 Gavin Lux (5.2), #32 Will Smith (12.1 WAR) and #33 Dylan Carlson (5.0 WAR). None of the four players drafted ahead of him have even cracked 5.0 WAR yet, looks like lotsa GMs drafted bust in the first round of 2016.

Is Keston Hiura a bust? Many were clamoring for him as our best hitter last year. His paltry 1.5 WAR is the best of any 1st round hitter drafted 9th or later. The only 1st rounder to crack five WAR from 2017 was #31 Drew Rasmussen, who didn't sign with the Rays.

Brice Turang just made MLB from the 2018 draft, prolly a little early to declare him a bust. Here are the first rounders drafted after him to top 5.0 WAR so far, #24 Nico Hoerner (8.4 WAR) and #31 Shane McLanahan (7.7 WAR)

Sure, Small looks like a bust so far. At the same time only two 1st rounders drafted after him have even cracked one WAR, #30 Anthony Volpe (1.2 WAR) and #34 Drey Jameson (1.6 WAR).

Mitchell's 1.6 WAR is already tied for 2nd in the 2020 draft class, hard to call that a bust. Frelick and Brown Jr are still traversing the minors. Again, a little early to declare either of them busts to this point.

Good post. Hiura is definitely a bust in my mind, but his draft year is looking like a really bad year for finding pro players,  which diminishes the magnitude of otherwise missing on a top 10 pick. 

7 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Can we stop with the Small nonsense? 

Since he's still only 26, left-handed & a former 1st-round pick, no we really can't. 

That doesn't mean you aren't right.

I like Small as an eventual bullpen piece who could maybe work back into starting if he develops a 3rd pitch more.

Not to hot on Teheren, I am sure the hope is that he can give us 4-5 starts until Woody is back. However he has an era over 5 and his arm is toast (at least it was a couple years ago). I agree I would much rather see one of 6-7 minor league guys get a chance and that probably includes Justin Jarvis or Carlos Rodriguez straight from AA over Julio(4-5 AAA guys then the 2 AA). 

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

I like Small as an eventual bullpen piece who could maybe work back into starting if he develops a 3rd pitch more.

Not to hot on Teheren, I am sure the hope is that he can give us 4-5 starts until Woody is back. However he has an era over 5 and his arm is toast (at least it was a couple years ago). I agree I would much rather see one of 6-7 minor league guys get a chance and that probably includes Justin Jarvis or Carlos Rodriguez straight from AA over Julio(4-5 AAA guys then the 2 AA). 

Nice post.

Small has made enormous progress fixing his release point. From spiking every other change up 5 feet in front of home plate to being able to throw all of his pitches for strikes. Just A little more consistency throwing strikes away from a call up in my opinion.

I think eventually they stretch him back out to start again and now that he seems to have fixed his release point he can start working on improving his slider to give him an effective third pitch.

hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Teheran, but if not another nice start or two from Gasser and I think he gets the call, especially after hearing what Arnold had to say about him in the McCalvy piece.

3 hours ago, SF70 said:

Nice post.

Small has made enormous progress fixing his release point. From spiking every other change up 5 feet in front of home plate to being able to throw all of his pitches for strikes. Just A little more consistency throwing strikes away from a call up in my opinion.

I think eventually they stretch him back out to start again and now that he seems to have fixed his release point he can start working on improving his slider to give him an effective third pitch.

hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Teheran, but if not another nice start or two from Gasser and I think he gets the call, especially after hearing what Arnold had to say about him in the McCalvy piece.

Really? Small is walking 6 batters per 9 innings in AAA. That’s why the Brewers have been signing pitchers off the street and moving them directly to the majors ahead of Small.

How many would he walk in MLB where the hitters are far more dynamic and selective? 
 

He’s never going to be a quality starter in the major leagues because he’s a deception artist who struggles with command (as evidenced as nearly a 5BB/9 ratio in the minors) and his low 90s swifty will get tattooed when hitters know it’s coming despite the deception. 
 

The bar is set so low for lefty relief pitchers, if he could get his walk ratio per 9 under 4.0, he’d probably have a 10 year career in the big leagues 

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

Really? Small is walking 6 batters per 9 innings in AAA. That’s why the Brewers have been signing pitchers off the street and moving them directly to the majors ahead of Small.

How many would he walk in MLB where the hitters are far more dynamic and selective? 
 

He’s never going to be a quality starter in the major leagues because he’s a deception artist who struggles with command (as evidenced as nearly a 5BB/9 ratio in the minors) and his low 90s swifty will get tattooed when hitters know it’s coming despite the deception. 
 

The bar is set so low for lefty relief pitchers, if he could get his walk ratio per 9 under 4.0, he’d probably have a 10 year career in the big leagues 

He’s gone from unplayable to viable. He probably needs to continue to make progress with his command for the team to call him up, but the trajectory is now a good one.

And Small has plenty of whiff ability pitching out of the bullpen with his plus change-up and invisible fastball, especially at 93mph where he can get it, pitching out of the pen.

14 minutes ago, SF70 said:

He’s gone from unplayable to viable. He probably needs to continue to make progress with his command for the team to call him up, but the trajectory is now a good one.

And Small has plenty of whiff ability pitching out of the bullpen with his plus change-up and invisible fastball, especially at 93mph where he can get it, pitching out of the pen.

We can disagree on viability and trajectory. They moved him to the pen so he could be a lefty relieve for the Brewers this year, and he couldn’t get it done. 
 

At AAA this year as a reliever he’s walking 6 batters per 9IP on average. He won’t pitch in the majors with that many walks. 
 

That’s why guys who didn’t even open the year with the organization like Sousa, Megill, etc, have been getting the call instead of Small

When they drafted him, the front office said he was “advanced” and should move through the system quickly, so I think the trajectory has already plummeted. 
 

Like I said if he can cut his walks he could be a lefty reliever in the majors but right now he’s more an organizational soldier that has really only pedigree working for him. 

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

We can disagree on viability and trajectory. They moved him to the pen so he could be a lefty relieve for the Brewers this year, and he couldn’t get it done. 
 

At AAA this year as a reliever he’s walking 6 batters per 9IP on average. He won’t pitch in the majors with that many walks. 
 

That’s why guys who didn’t even open the year with the organization like Sousa, Megill, etc, have been getting the call instead of Small

When they drafted him, the front office said he was “advanced” and should move through the system quickly, so I think the trajectory has already plummeted. 
 

Like I said if he can cut his walks he could be a lefty reliever in the majors but right now he’s more an organizational soldier that has really only pedigree working for him. 

He COMPLETELY lost his release-point early last year and became Steve Blass.

The team this year had him throw nothing but FB’s in at least 1 outing earlier this season and that seemed to work getting a more consistent RP and since then he’s had multiple clean outings and started to pitch much better.

A few more strike-throwing outings and i’m expecting a call-up.

7 minutes ago, SF70 said:

He COMPLETELY lost his release-point early last year and became Steve Blass.

The team this year had him throw nothing but FB’s in at least 1 outing earlier this season and that seemed to work getting a more consistent RP and since then he’s had multiple clean outings and started to pitch much better.

A few more strike-throwing outings and i’m expecting a call-up.

A few more? He should probably start strike throwing.
 

Small has 7 walks in 9 innings this month. Considering his 2023 season average is  6.1 BB/9 he’s actually going the wrong way! 
 

I hope you’re right, but I’m not going to hold my breath hoping he’s not a bust 

51 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

A few more? He should probably start strike throwing.
 

Small has 7 walks in 9 innings this month. Considering his 2023 season average is  6.1 BB/9 he’s actually going the wrong way! 
 

I hope you’re right, but I’m not going to hold my breath hoping he’s not a bust 

1st 5 outings—

 5.1 IP  6BB/9K

Since —

14 IP — 7BB/19K

Positive trajectory/arrow up.

3 hours ago, SF70 said:

1st 5 outings—

 5.1 IP  6BB/9K

Since —

14 IP — 7BB/19K

Positive trajectory/arrow up.

Check the game logs, he has 7 walks in 9 innings just this month. A three game stretch at the end of April doesn’t mean anything

35 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Check the game logs, he has 7 walks in 9 innings just this month. A three game stretch at the end of April doesn’t mean anything

 

 

Ok, you just showed his last 7 outings:

14 innings 7BB  19K

Looks pretty good to me.

Smalls' command seems to be getting better. Better than it was, anyway. Of course it needs to continue to go northward for him to have a chance to be a viable option given the avg-at-best fastball.

At best he's Brent Suter with a little more velocity. Not what you want from a first-rounder, but there's a role for that.