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If Beltre bails, I wonder if Boston would bite on a McGehee for Ellsbury deal. I'd kick in Parra or Gomez as well. -
Paint me on a skeptic on this report. If it does happen, though I'm not thrilled about paying Betancourt at least $6 million over the next two, I'll be very happy if that's what it takes to get Greinke. You could do worse than Betancourt as SS, and he should be an upgrade over what Escobar provided last year. I hate to see Cain in particular go, but if that's what it takes I'm fine with it. I see Edmonds still is thinking about playing, so I'd be interested in bringing him back to split time with Gomez again. If this happens, you have to think that this trade would make the Crew the division favorites, and hopefully an extension for Greinke is part of the deal.
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I don't see Nolasco as much more than a #3. He's pretty inconsistent. That said, though I'd rather have Garza, I'd much prefer him to Pavano. I'd offer the Marlins a package of Rogers or Jeffress and Gomez, with perhaps a low minors guy as well. That's about as high as I would go.
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I just don't want to move Cain, and I don't see how you can trade Lucroy at this point either. Every decent FA catcher is now gone. Frankly, I'd be more willing to trade Escobar at this point, but he wouldn't be easily replaced either. I wonder if a deal of the following could get Garza: McGehee (if the Rays see him as a 2nd baseman) Jeffress or Rogers One other pitcher in the low minors Gomez
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General Lineup Discussion: 2011
RockCoCougars replied to brewtank34's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
I'm not sure, but hopefully there are not three automatic outs at the end of the lineup as seemed to be the case for most of last season (counting the pitcher). I'd probably do something like: Weeks Cain Fielder Braun McGehee Hart LuCroy Escobar -
but last I checked there's no sub .500 pitchers in the Hall of Fame Satchel Paige is, but you have to cut the man some slack due to his Negro League career, and the fact that he was over 40 when he made his MLB debut. If he's the only one, that would be a good trivia question. EDIT: Just checked, and Satch is the only one. Next time you want to stump your buddies at the bar, this would be a good one.
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No way would I give up any valuable piece (like Hart) for Blanton unless the Phillies were willing to pretty much eat his entire salary, which will never happen. The only move that would make sense to me would be a LaTroy Hawkins + minor league filler(s) for Blanton. This would allow the Brewers to shed Hawkins' salary, while still allowing the Phillies to shed some salary. This would only leave them on the hook for an extra $4 million in payroll in 2011 and $8 million in 2012.
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Astros Sign Bill Hall, 1yr/$3MM
RockCoCougars replied to crewcrazy's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
It seems as though there was a lot of interest for a guy that the Brewers basically gave $6 million to go away and play elsewhere. Frankly, it would be kind of nice to have Hall on the roster now as an emergency shortstop, but I'll withhold judgment to see what Counsell ends up getting. -
Molitor, Yount & Cirillo
RockCoCougars replied to Warning Track Power's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
That was very symbolic for me at the time because I was enraged when the Brewers let Cirillo walk to bring back Counsell, who was having a brutal season at the time. -
Lopez hasn't played too much shortstop as of late (probably for good reason), however, he was a 'regular' shortstop as recently as 2007. I have Escobar penciled in for at least 140 games if he's healthy..... for better or worse, as the Brewers committed to him when they dumped Hardy. I think that this is a sink or swim season for Escobar. I don't think that Lopez would kill the team if he had to start maybe once a week or so at shortstop and fill in for a few games here and there. Obviously, if Escobar gets hurt for a long period of time or is completely brutal, you are probably going to have to go out and get a guy capable of playing everyday. I think you'd have to do that even if you have Counsell, because though he's been good with the glove, I don't think that it would bode well for the team if he's was playing short every day- if he was even able to do so at his advance age. This is why I don't think that it makes sense to keep him around just to back up short- in a nutshell, hopefully whoever backs short won't be needed much because Escobar is keeping them off the field. If money is spent on this guy, I'd rather see it go to someone with a better bat off the bench than Counsell. As for third, Gamel can step in, or McGehee could move to second if something happens with Rickie with Gamel manning third. Another thing about Lopez is that he brings versatility in that he could play pretty much anywhere.
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Why are they dragging their feet then- get 'er done! Hopefully this is true, and Brewers fans don't get another Christmas Eve miracle like we did four years ago.
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I agree that there are better options than Counsell. Maybe I'm biased because of how he hit in his first time here, but I'd prefer Felipe Lopez if they were going to give a two year deal as you proposed for Renteria. Yes, I know that he's not very good defensively (particularly at short), but he's versatile, and I think he'd be a great switch hitting stick to have off the bench. I don't think a late inning defensive specialist type guy is needed with Escobar around, plus I would guess that he will be playing the bulk of the games barring injury. Lopez is also good friends with Rickie, isn't he? That couldn't hurt with extension negotiations.
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Guys hit Shields too well for my taste- .294 BAA last year.
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Points taken. That said, in my opinion the Brewers went all in on Escobar when they traded Hardy. Let's be honest, even though he was no great shakes in the field last year, Escobar's role is to be great defensively and hopefully slightly above average offensively at some point. Escobar should be penciled in to play 140-150 games next year, so is it really worth the money to pay Counsell $1.5 or $2 million coming off a season like he had solely because he can play SS? If they must spend that kind of money on a backup SS, I'd rather give it to Lopez (or a little bit more) as a bat off the bench, who could play shortstop if needed. Heck, I'd even consider bringing Billy Hall back.
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I don't want to turn this into a Counsell thread, but I didn't understand the logic in paying him twice as much as Felipe Lopez (who is available again) last season. If, as I suspect, Counsell is looking to make somewhere in the neighborhood of what he did last year, the Brewers should pass without blinking and either go with a minimum salary guy like Cruz, or use the money to pursue Lopez (who I might even give a two year deal to) or throw a million or so at someone like Christian Guzman. I see that Geoff Blum went to the Diamondbacks for somewhere in the neighborhood of what Counsell is seeking. I'm not sure how WAR is calculated, but signing Blum would have probably added a few wins for the Brewers just because they won't have to play against him anymore. In my view, all of these guys are better options than Counsell, and are switch hitters as well, which would be nice to have for a change.
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The Brewers already have two guys as we stand that would be #3/#4 starters on a good team in Marcum/Wolf. I see no need to overpay to get another one. If you are willing to shell out eight figures, you had better add a guy who can be a #1/#2. It seems like Garza is the only realistic option for that now, though Greinke would fit as well if Melvin is willing to pillage the prospect base.
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I don't think that waiting is warranted in the Counsell situation. If they wait on him, the best 'fall through the cracks' guys are going to be picked up elsewhere. If you're going to spend $1 or 2 million, you can certainly do better than Counsell. Personally, I'd replace him with anyone who can play SS and a little 2B if needed for minimum salary. Hometown guy or not, he's going to be 41 years old next year. As for Capuano, though I would have a little more patience, I think this team needs about 7 or 8 guys who are capable of starting in the majors as depth to guard against the inevitable injuries. I'm not counting on Rogers or Jeffress for anything in 2011. Even if they are able to somehow get a #1/#2 like Greinke or Garza (not Pavano or Blanton- who I would happily take as a #4/#5 if the Phillies will contribute a big chunk of salary), I think that you need to add another guy capable of starting who is cheap with some upside, willing to take a one year deal- which would probably limit them to reclamation projects like (Harden, Webb or Duchscherer). Harden would have fit nicely into that equation, and every day one of these reclamation guys seem to land somewhere, if you wait too long on Capuano, they'll all be gone. I do find it odd that last season, Cappy re-signed in November, and this year we are almost a week from Christmas. I'm not so sure that Capuano will be coming back if he gets a decent offer somewhere else.
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I don't like the idea of weakening the bullpen, but I'd probably bite, however only for Garza- I wouldn't include anyone like Cain, LuCroy, or any of the top end arms either. I'd throw in Gomez, but otherwise it would be some A ballers coming with him.
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Admittedly, I have no clue whether Melvin inquired about Harden, though they were linked in the rumor blogs. However, he has been quoted that he has offers out to Capuano and Counsell. Counsell is most definitely wavering, as we were supposed to hear 'in a day or two' last week. Capuano is obviously and rightfully gauging the market, but I can't imagine that the Brewers' offer would have been less than $1.5 million with incentives- if so, they really lowballed him.
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I've been pulled back in.... I'm not saying that Harden is the 'second starter' that is needed this off season, but who says that Harden is not capable of holding down a swing role as the fifth starter/ relief role (probably only needed for a few starts in April) and then earning a spot in the rotation for the rest of the season? People are saying that Harden is a bullpen killer and what not, but what is a guy like Narveson? He seemed to have difficulty getting out of the 5th and/or 6th inning almost every start last year, averaging 5.6 innings per start. I like Cappy, but the fact that he hasn't signed yet tells me that he is going to command more than the Brewers were willing to offer, which was probably more than Harden got. Either that or maybe he is another guy who wants to leave the organization- because of how he was handled last year. Macha gave him one start and then buried him for several weeks. I'm sure that didn't sit well. I don't think that it's a given that he will be back.
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Team by team analysis of Fielder trade partners
RockCoCougars replied to NYChez's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Prince is looking good. I have a hunch that he is primed for his typical odd-year monster season. I'm willing to pass on a package of second rate pitching prospects and gamble that will be the case. -
How do you know that Capuano is "wavering". Capuano's agent is probably trying to get the best deal and the most money for his client. That's what agents do. As for you outbidding the A's for Harden is a great example of why you are not a general manager in the big leagues. Time will tell.... Who would you like to add to the rotation?
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I would assume that Capuano has been offered as much or more than the Harden deal, and he is wavering. Going further, as I said, I would have outbid the A's for Harden. Money talks, so I have no doubt that he would have came to Milwaukee for the right offer. I'll table this for now, but I reserve the right to restart complaining if/when Melvin throws money at a stiff.
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Molitor, Yount & Cirillo
RockCoCougars replied to Warning Track Power's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
As did I, I could see Escobar/Hardy situation ending the same way. Like I said, the Taylor era does make me cringe to this day when we are talking about trading Fielder, Weeks, etc.For good measure, I also forgot about the horrible Valentin/Eldred for Navarro/Snyder deal that Taylor made to clear room for his pal Jose K. Vina certainly did help the Cardinals, and with Bando's boneheaded non tender of Matheny, the Selig-Prieb regime helped build that team up the middle. -
I bet that Cleveland fans were saying the same things about Pavano two years ago when he was signed on a similar deal. Now some here want to give him $20 million plus. Sometimes these things pan out, though often they do not. I still think that Harden would have been a worthy addition to the staff as to be brought along slowly as the #5 starter. As for him not coming to Milwaukee on that deal, money talks. I would have given him twice the money- Melvin has certainly given worse guys more money. Harden may be a 'name guy', but he is apparently healthy, I don't think that it's completely out of the realm of possibility that Harden bounces back. He's 29 years old (I guess that you have to be at least 32 years old to be considered by Melvin as a pitcher), and struck out 7.3 per 9 last season (in a down year). It was a fairly uncharacteristic complete lack of control last year that killed him more than anything- not like he was hit like a BP pitcher or anything (his BAA was .256, Gallardo's was .251). Would have been a great low risk- high reward pickup of a power arm (something that this team is severely lacking). I'm going to throw up in my mouth when Counsell is signed for the same amount. Let's face it, he's really only needed to back up shortstop these days (not 'all four infield positions'). The guy is also 40 years old, doesn't hit well enough to justify a role as a pinch hitter, and if anyone is 'toast', he is.
