RockCoCougars
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In my view, he was one of the top 5 pitchers ever. As stated above, his career stats don't belie that- mostly because of his service to our country. Another great baseball ambassador lost.
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Molitor, Yount & Cirillo
RockCoCougars replied to Warning Track Power's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
One of the worst trades in Brewer history. I never could understand why Taylor dumped Cirillo for financial reasons, then goes out and signs Jose K to a three year deal for fairly big money. Taylor made a few other horrible trades largely driven by salary, and he was a horribly inept judge of major league talent. The Burnitz/D'Amico, etc. for Rusch/Ochoa, etc. was an absolute joke, if for no other reason than the fact that Rusch was one of the all time worst Brewers starting pitchers prior to Soup. Another idiotic move was dumping Vina for a brutal middle reliever in order to make room for the future stud 'Belly' at second. No wonder why I'm so gunshy about trading our homegrown guys.... -
This guy's toast, and spending $1.5M on him is a bit irresponsible. So spending $1.5 million on Craig Counsell is responsible, when he could most likely be very adequately replaced for a minimum salary guy? Since that one may not happen (though I'm betting it will), how about spending $750K on Wil Nieves? For heaven's sake, it's less than the amount of Suppan's buyout. I'm not saying that you endorse(d) these signings, but still.
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You were extremely frustrated that Melvin didnt sign Sheets last year as well. We know how that turned out (as many expected, Sheets gets injured and was done for the year). Harden was terrible last year (5.58 ERA). He never stays healthy, and has never pitched over 189 innings ever in his career. If Melvin did sign him and did expect him in the rotation as our number 4, he should be fired. Hindsight is 20/20. Simply put..... 2010 Ben Sheets > 2010 Doug Davis + 2010 LaTroy Hawkins + 2010 Gregg Zaun. Say what you want about Harden, but he's still young and despite a loss of velocity, he still throws harder than anyone currently on the staff not named Gallardo. If Harden is so terrible, I guess that you would rather give Carl Pavano about 15 times the guaranteed money.
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I'm amazed that this guy is still around. He's a likable enough bloke, but he looked washed up back in the day when he was with the Brewers (from my memory, it seems like it took him about 4 months to start hitting).
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One year, $1.5 million plus a possible extra $1.5 million in incentives. Let's just say that I'm extremely frustrated that Melvin didn't make a push for this guy....
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I think Blanton would be great as a #4/#5 starter because he has shown durability and is an 'innings eater'. That said, I'm not a huge fan of innings eaters, and I don't want both Blanton and Pavano in the rotation. I'm also not convinced that Pavano would be an innings eater. Obviously, anything could happen with Blanton a la Doug Davis last year, but I'd go with him, because he is younger, cheaper, and has a better track record than Pavano (particularly in going out there every fifth day). Again, I would only move on this if the Phillies were either willing to accept Hawkins in the deal, or kick in some salary relief- about $5 million. I'm not on board for giving Blanton $16 million over two seasons, but I would go with $10 or $12 million over two.
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It does smack a little of Sal Bando playing the Waste Management role in taking Grissom off the Indians' hands, to free up cash and center field for them to sign Lofton way back when. That said, I would be somewhat interested only if the Phillies were willing to either pay a big chunk of the $16 million owed Blanton, or take Hawkins back in the deal..... at this point, he's the only true 'garbage deal' that the Brewers are saddled with. If he's due to make $4 million next season, not signing Counsell and Capuano would almost square up what is owed Blanton's deal. Perhaps the Phillies would kick in a little cash as well if the Brewers threw in a couple of middle of the road prospects. All that said, I see Blanton as a #4/#5 starter, nothing more, nothing less. Basically a durable guy, with limited upside, but probably a better- and definitely a cheaper (if the Phillies would kick in some salary relief in the form of taking Hawkins, etc.)- option than Pavano. As I said above, he might not be a bad Plan C in the liklihood that Greinke and Garza are pipe dreams. There are also a few other guys (Harden, Duchscherer) that I would like to see them kick the tires on first, but you could do worse than Blanton as your #4 starter.
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Cliff Lee agrees to deal with Phillies
RockCoCougars replied to trwi7's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Glad to see someone spurn the Yankees and their money. Not so glad to know that Matt Garza will probably be pitching for Texas next year after this. -
Blanton doesn't knock my socks off, but as a Plan C, I'd offer the Phillies LaTroy Hawkins and a middling prospect/two middling prospects for him.
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Overbay's contract
RockCoCougars replied to Hate those Rodents's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
If the Brewers were still in the A.L., I'd be in. Since they're not, I'm out. No room for him if Prince is here, and even if he's not, as others have said, Gamel needs to get a chance somewhere- whether that means moving Hart to first, putting Gamel there or whatever. -
I think that a million for Counsell is more than fair. I'm not sure what's taking him so long to make his decision. I'd give him a deadline to decide, and I wouldn't be heartbroken if he didn't return. 'Utility guys' are basically a dime a dozen, and it shouldn't be hard to upgrade one that is 40 years old, and struggles to hit .250 with no power. As for Cappy, I'd give him $2 million plus incentives, not a dime more. I'd give him more time, but if another pitcher is acquired, I'd reserve the right to pull the offer off the table.
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Haurdicourt reporting that Pavano 'prefers' the Twins. Hopefully, Pavano and the Twins can get something agreed to. If so, it will be the biggest bullet this team has dodged since the Giants 'stole' Dave Roberts from the Brewers.
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I definitely feel that there is a correlation between better performance and a contract year. This is because though I'm sure that many guys give maximum effort all the time, there are many that don't give their all at all times, but have extra motivation to do so when their livelihood is on the line- it's human nature. Though I'm sure that it works the other way as well because some guys fold under pressure, it seems to be much more of the former than the latter to me. This isn't baseball related, but look at the Bucks, guys like Tim Thomas, Bobby Simmons, Gadzuric (though he wasn't that good to begin with), and I fear- John Salmons for examples. There are plenty of examples over the years in baseball and other sports as well.
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I'm so hoping the Twins come up with a decent offer to make this a non issue. The time has come and gone on Pavano. I would have been interested 12 years ago when he was young, or 2 years ago when he was dirt cheap, but I have no interest in him now. Though, quite frankly, he was never as good as he was cracked up to be when he was young and healthy. Now he's old and is going to be expensive. Hopefully Melvin has learned his lesson about signing old question-mark guys coming off their career seasons to multi year deals. If not, he will probably be looking for work at next year's winter meetings.
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I don't want Shields at any cost. Garza is much better. Shields has pitched poorly the past two years, is more expensive, and older. All that I need to look at for Shields is that last year he gave up 246 hits in 203 innings (239 hits in 219 innings in 2009).... that is Soup like, and I pass. Garza, on the other hand, has given up less hits than innings pitched in each of his three seasons while maintaining good control. The Brewers need to stand their ground here. Change the culture, and don't take the sloppy seconds.
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For the 100th time, I just don't get the logic of eating salary to move one of the best hitters in the game over the past 5 years. That is the kind of thing that I may be on board for for a Jeff Suppan, Jeffery Hammonds, LaTroy Hawkins, Franklin Stubbs type, but I think it's an absurd idea for Fielder.
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The Brewers need to stop chasing after Pavano and get this done. Give up anything within reason and get him so the Cubs don't. He's young, under team control for quite a while, and has a track record or durability and success- not to mention, he can actually break 90 mph on the gun consistently. If they add Garza and keep this lineup intact, they should be able to compete for this division.
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I'm with those that say Suppan was below average before he joined the Brewers. The only reason that his ERA was slightly above league average was due to the fact that for whatever reason, he pitched lights out against the Brewers. Dude was a Brewer killer pure and simple....before, while and after he was on the team - a curse on the franchise, so to speak.
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I disagree. If Gallardo pitches like he did in the first half last year, yes he is better than Garza. That said, Gallardo's ERA was in the 6 range in the second half last year. Garza has been a very solid pitcher for three seasons- he's pretty young, has been durable, and he has similar stuff to Gallardo. I've been following him since he was in Beloit, and I've wanted him since the Twins had interest in Carlos Lee. The only things that give me pause about Garza are that his strikeouts were down and flyballs up a little last year. I'll take that as a blip on the radar though, because he's probably the best pitcher out there that the Brewers can realistically obtain.
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I think that the difference between Garza and Pavano is huge. Garza is much better and much younger. In my view, Pavano is another borderline #3/#4 type, but if you land Garza, he is the #1 starter at this point. Gallardo was pretty unimpressive after the all star game last year, and Garza has a longer track record. I hesitate to say this because of Soup (another LCS MVP), but Garza has pitched well in some big games, so that is a bonus as well. If the Brewers fail to capitalize on the opportunity to get a young locked in Garza, and compound that mistake by signing an aging pitcher with a sketchy history and limited upside, I will bang my head against the wall.
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Melvin signing Pavano to a multi-year contract would be akin to Matt Millen drafting a wide receiver in the first round. In my view it would be worse than the Suppan signing because of how badly they were burned by that deal and the fact that they just shed that albatross of a contract.
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I'm going with the Phillies as well.
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He's basically a four category player in fantasy baseball (however he is only more than slightly above average in the stolen bases category). As such, he is rated highly in the mock drafts, overrated by fantasy players, and gets much more press than he should. He's basically this generation's Marquis Grissom.
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I say that Rickie should be locked up. ASAP. Hudson dreams of being the player that Weeks is. There is probably good reason that he's been on three teams in three years, looking for a fourth. The last guy like that the Brewers picked up with Estrada, and he was a colossal bust.
