StearnsFTW

I agree. I would've been thrilled to have Escobar last year (or especially in 2011) with the dreck the Brewers were running out there at shortstop. He's an idiot, but that rarely matters to GMs. They'll be able to move him no problem.

Thanks for the info guys. Now it all makes sense. Appreciate it.

^^ I misread the stat line. I saw ABs Although I still only see 303 PA for 2011. I may have a bad source. 303/303/415 is what I have. Seems low for 2 1/2 seasons. Anyway, not a big deal. I was just wondering if he had had any injury problems. http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=p_pbp&pid=592609

Also, does anyone have any insight as to why Olt has so few PA so far? Has he been hurt? I've tried to find out but I've come up empty.

If thats all true, then I am a little surprised. I didn't think Olt was every really on the table, but I admit that I don't know. I'm extremely happy with what Melvin got for Greinke. If Texas called and offer Olt for Segura, I would hope Doug would say no. Plus 2 decent pitching prospects.

There's the small problem that their pitching still sucks.

I don't think I agree with that. I think Melvin wanted pitching or a shortstop.

But the arbitrariness of formula stats like WAR or FLIPPY-DIPPY or BOOB-LOOB or whatever else someone makes up doesn't seem to bother you. WOAH SOLVDD

I dont understand the jays' plan at all. At this point, they are not a contender, and they've added a ridiculous amount of money. Now they can win 87 games and finish 3rd their division. Anthopoulos is so overrated As a gm IMO.

I was reading through this thread waiting for this point to be made. Thank you. The whole "made the playoffs/triple crown" arbitrariness just blows my mind. If Josh Hamilton hits 2 more home runs is Cabrera a slam dunk? If Detroit is in the East does Cabrera win? So silly.

Thank God they didn't. Yuck.

Yup.

I agree the marlins are a joke, but Toronto isn't getting anything great here. Johnson is broken, IMO, Buehrle is OK, I wouldn't want Reyes' contract, and frankly,I expect him to be hurt for a lot of it. They don't seem to be giving up much, but I don't think they're a contender at all at this point.

^^agree 100%

I would easily give up Maldonado for Dickey, and I don't even like Dickey that much. Gindl is irrelevant, so sign me up.

If you actually believe this, you shouldnt talk about hockey anymore. Like, ever.

None of the above.

No to the DH.

Seems like he's pretty good. I'm confused as to why Boston let him go.

I'm terrified that Gavin Floyd will be a brewer.

I'm honesty surprised ny the orange/blue love. To each his own I guess. It's the worst commonly-used combo to me.

I really hope not. This franchise lives in the past enough. Amen.

Giving up anything of value for Santana would be bad and at that price it would be even worse. If the Brewers wanted to add Santana they should just wait for the Angels to decline his option and pick him up for around $1-2m for a year. Santana wouldn't be bad as a 5th starter and hoping that he somehow comes back to where he once was. I have this feeling that the Brewers are only going to add a starter if they are able to get the starter at the price they want. There are going to be a lot of guys to choose from that the Brewers will be able to pick up either through a trade or through FA. I am actually starting to look at FA and other than Greinke I don't see the other pitchers who are available getting a big contract. The only player I could see getting a big contract will be Jackson everyone else is either going to have to settle for a 1 or 2-year deal or in Lohse's case a 3-year deal. I don't think there are many teams out there this year that are going to be looking at this FA class and saying they are going to be spending a lot of money on these FA's. If you look at the teams that are going to need a starter none of them are teams that are normally big spenders. I believe there is going to be an excess of average starters on the market this year in FA. Haren, Santana, Lohse, and Dempster will all be available in the average category while you will have Jackson and Sanchez in the above average category and only Greinke in the elite category. Greinke will get paid but Lohse, Haren, Santana, Dempster, Sanchez, and Jackson will all be waiting a long time before they get signed. If Jackson or Lohse get qualifying offers they may scare some teams away like the Brewers, Mets, Phillies, Pirates, etc. The Pirates to me would be a team that would be very interested in Jackson but may pursue Sanchez instead if Jackson gets a QO. The Orioles again would be a team interested in either Jackson or Lohse but if they get a QO I don't see Baltimore going after either of those two. I believe teams will try and go the trade route this off season as the arms in FA are just not worth the draft picks in Lohse and Jackson with only one real viable option in Sanchez but he may have increased his stock by pitching rather well in the playoffs. The trade market this year is going to be rather competitive and is going to be a sellers market as there are going to be more teams involved than normal as FA doesn't have the quality of arms to be a viable option this year. There are plenty of relief pitchers to pick from and this will be a buyers market something the Brewers need to exploit. Breaking down the off season I don't see the Yankees playing in FA all that much as they are going to try and get under the luxury tax cap and the Red Sox don't look as though they are going to be major players either. The Dodgers look as though they are done spending with reports that they may trade Ethier. The Cardinals look to be set and will go with their younger pitchers they have coming up over the pricier veterans they have now. The Cubs don't look as though they are going to be players in FA this year either and neither do the White Sox. The Tigers may retain Sanchez and I think that will be there only move in the offseason. The Angels will look to be retaining Greinke and like the Tigers will probably be there only move. Nearly all of the big market clubs look as though they are going to be silent this off season in FA Yankees, Mets, Phillies, Red Sox, Dodgers, Angels, Cubs, White Sox, and the Tigers. Maybe I will be wrong but from what I have been reading and hearing it doesn't sound like any of the big markets are going to be going after many players in FA. The Rangers are a wild card to me and I think they may splurge on Hamilton and then again they may not. Should be an interesting off season which is going to start rather quickly. I don't know if you just forgot about Annibal Sanchez when you wrote the bolded part, but he'll get at least 4 years and at least $50MM IMO. I think you're wrong about the way the pitching market will move. Teams ALWAYS overpay for starting pitching. Don't see why this year would be any different.

It looks as good as anything that's orange and blue can.

I agree. If they ate half his salary, I'd take him. Anything more than that, and I'd pass. I also wouldn't give up any decent player for him. It'd be strictly a salary dump for SF, and I agree that they could probably do better.