Take if from someone who has questioned the stat geeks. Whitlock is right on the money. Check out the threads that discuss Mark Kotsay for instance. Because some stat geek came up with "Wins above Replacement" as a measure of value, and Kotsay has been marginally negative on this for the last several years. the argument (and if you refute it you are an idiot) is that Kotsay is completely worthless and doesn't belong in the game. The true stat geeks are zealots. Sabermetrics is their religion. Other examples of stat geek beliefs that you can't argue with them about: RBI totals are random and thus useless in measuring a player's value. A high BABIP is good luck and a low BABIP is bad luck. Wins and losses are completely out of a pitchers' control and therefore also a useless stat. And this is my personal favorite: "Walks are as good as hits". I have a theory about that one that goes back to youth baseball. We use to yell at the guys on our team that couldn't hit "a walks as good as a hit" when they were up to bat. What we meant was "We all know you can't hit, so take pitches and maybe the guy will walk you". Apparently those guys took us at our word, and all of them convinced themselves that walks are indeed as good as hits, and became stat geeks. Is there a HOF on this board? Because this post belongs there. Why are people so afraid of Sabermetrics? I'll never understand it.