Yep, that's the point I was making earlier about 2015 season. I mean, how soon we forget. After the 2014 season, many (including the Brewers) thought we were a couple players away. We all know how 2015 went, and a true rebuild began after that. This team is ready to compete now with their line-up. Even if Braun AND Thames were traded, there's a lot of bats on the way and plenty of money to but another. But I just see way too much optimism in general about the rotation. Bottom line, we honestly don't know if ANY of Peralta, Nelson, Davies, Anderson, Guerra, Hader, Woodruff can be a part of a contending team this year, or next year, or 2019. Sure, someone will pan out. But how many of those guys? And I'm not even talking about a stud ace or two. Just 3 really good pitchers, and a couple more that are #3/#4 types. I don't think I'm being negative, just realistic. Even if Hader and Woodruff are really good, HOW good will they be. And how soon? Consistently really good? I guess I can't even think about being a true contender until I start seeing signs that a World Series winning rotation is being built. Counting on a couple wildly inconsistent guys and a couple guys who aren't even up yet doesn't quite qualify.