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Nobody is talking about 3 or 4 or 5 months here. The word indefinitely just means there is no specific target date. If the league doesn't think they can move into normal stadiums for 3 months they just won't go along with this plan. This would almost certainly be a short term bridge to playing in normal stadiums. You have 2 weeks of spring training and then hopefully only 1 or 2 weeks of real games and then things have calmed down to where you go back to normal stadiums. In the past I said I thought we would get spring training in mid June and real games in July. This just allows this plan to move up 2-4 weeks earlier than what I thought would happen. If that's true, then why bother with these games in AZ? If it's only 2-4 weeks, just skip the weird baseball step. I would rather just start in July playing in regulat stadiums with fans, and make it exactly half a season, 81 games.

I just have the observation of experts to go off of: UW Health official: "Nearly impossible' to maintain social distancing at polls Jeff Pothof, chief quality and safety officer for UW Health in Madison, viewed photographs taken at polling places around the state and was left with two strong, very different impressions. "Boy, I'm somewhat inspired by the people who despite the risks are going out and voting," he said. "However, it's nearly impossible to maintain social distancing throughout the process of going to the polls and voting. You can see some people quite close to each other, some wearing masks, some not. https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/04/07/wisconsin-election-news-live-updates-state-news/2960278001/ Yea, that expert was looking at the same video, he doesn't know anything more than I do. Yes, some people were close to each other. They're called families. Likely as not theyre together all the time already. Milw only had 5 polling places open. I saw two of them, and everyone was keeping their distance. Still more risk than staying home? Sure. But it's not like the virus hit yesterday, send in a ballot like millions of others did if you were concerned with getting infected.

You almost literally have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than getting CV in Janesville. Being able to get out and do simple fun things like that are healthy for your mental state. High stress creates more health issues and potential death than CV in most areas of the state, and country for that matter. t this point everyone is (or should be) painfully aware of the risks. If you are old or otherwise compromised, stay away from people. If you must interact with said people, take all necessary precautions. That's where we need to be, otherwise it's very close to the time to open up the stores and restaurants and start getting back to normal. Rock County has four covid-19 deaths. There to my knowledge have been 0 lightning strike deaths in Rock County this year. Saying that you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning is honestly kind of false. Hence "almost" literally. It's not Tstorm season yet if we really want to get crazy. But you proved my point. 4 vs 0 is statistically the same down to several decimal points. Known deaths due to getting ice cream- 0.

You almost literally have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than getting CV in Janesville. Being able to get out and do simple fun things like that are healthy for your mental state. High stress creates more health issues and potential death than CV in most areas of the state, and country for that matter. t this point everyone is (or should be) painfully aware of the risks. If you are old or otherwise compromised, stay away from people. If you must interact with said people, take all necessary precautions. That's where we need to be, otherwise it's very close to the time to open up the stores and restaurants and start getting back to normal.

Except they weren't in close quarters. They showed the lines, people were over 6 feet apart standing in line. They slowly filtered people into the building to vote. There were no mass gatherings.

So are Amazon, fast food restaurants, and Kimberly Clark. There aren't many winners in all this, but there are some. That's just the way it goes. FWIW Ive been to Walmart a few times and its way less busy than normal. We'll see what their results end up being, but I doubt they're benefiting from this at all.

Just take down the 5G towers and be done with this.

These pics/ stories of groups out in public ate the definition of small sample size. Yes, it happens. But if you total up the number of total human interactions each day, I bet it's down 80%. Even when you go out, you may have 1 or 2 interactions. Not a multiplw of that by going out to eat, bars, Brewer games, not to mention many, many people essential or not are working from home, laid off, or furloughed. My small sample. Drove by Brookfield Square this afternoon, then west all the way down Capitol Dr. It was a ghost town, on a Sat afternoon. I think Wisconsin, or at least WI gets a A- in quarantine efforts. Finally, I said it back in page 1 or2 of this, but a month or so of this is all our society can take fir a lit of reasons. By the end of this month, we need to get back to normal as much as possible. Barring this getting much worse by then. Quarantine older folks, and anyone else at risk can make that choice for themselves.

Every business is essential. If it provides a service and people go to it for goods or services it is essential. Unfortunately small business owners can't just close up shop and then hope some magical unicorn comes around and pays their rent/mortgage and then buys them food and other necessities. Yes they can. That magical unicorn is called the SBA.

Just sitting on your couch doesn't get clicks. You proved the point, we all have seen (or at least heard about) Madonna, Arnold, etc. So the news-averse crowd is at least getting the message somehow, and that's all that matters. It doesn't bother me, as I'll never see any of their outlandish crap. Except for Sam Jackson, that was hilarious.

Many of these stars have tens of millions of followers on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Just a few weeks ago the surgeon general publically asked celebrities to spread the word about social distancing. Many people listen to advice from celebrities more than elected officials. Not saying I agree with it, but a lot of people put celebrities on a pedestal and pay attention to every single one of their social media posts. Yea, I wish it was true not a single person cared, but millions do. There's a whole lot of people that know more about the Kardashians' lives than their own family, sorry to say. And if someone isn't capable of soaking in the non-stop news about what you should be doing/ not doing, but they get it from 2 Chainz on Instagram, purpose served.

Well, the comment was ANY amount of people aren't less important than the economy. No qualifiers that you just provided. Nope, haven't been calling for a shutdown every flu season. Because this isn't the flu. The flu isn't leaving hospitals overwhelmed and running out of supplies. Yes, that's a given. But if you believe any amount of lives are more important than the economy, you would want to save 10s of thousands every year. Maybe I read your comment wrong, but it sounded like you said no loss of life is worth a theiving economy. Problem I have with that is very high unemployment brings more death due to crime, drug abuse, suicide, and a tremendous growth in a whole lot of other serious, even life threatening conditions. And thats how the cure could be worse than the disease.

Were you calling for a shutdown every flu season? 80,000 people died in the U.S. over the 2017-18 flu season. Nothing shut down, you had to scramble to even find a story about it. If those people are more important than the economy, we really should shut down for a few months every year. If flu season was two months long and we had same number of hospitalizations and fatalities, we'd probably have a different response. Well, the comment was ANY amount of people aren't less important than the economy. No qualifiers that you just provided.

Were you calling for a shutdown every flu season? 80,000 people died in the U.S. over the 2017-18 flu season. Nothing shut down, you had to scramble to even find a story about it. If those people are more important than the economy, we really should shut down for a few months every year.

Problem is everyone's definition of "even keeled" is different.

Sorry to hear about your mom Oldschool. Both of my parents are very elderly, and they said something interesting the other day. I imagine a lot of people their age feel the same way. They said not seeing anyone for months is worse than the chance of getting C19. When you think about it, a month is like a year to them. They do understand (pretty much) that it's not just about them though, they could pass it on to others. But the overall point is interesting. Risk of death vs completely changing your way of life is not so simple. A lot of people (not saying here necessarily) are valuing life over just about any impact this will have on society as a whole. While not realizing how many deaths THAT will cause, btw.

Florida Man is probably already immune to it. No, he wasn't. He was quite sick and already said his good byes to family. The drug is Hydroxychloroquine, we've been talking about it a lot. Too early to tell, but doctors that have been using it have had really positive results. Small sample though, like if Sogard was hitting .500 after the first week of the season. Larger studies are being done in US and other countries, we'll know more relatively soon.

Florida Man is probably already immune to it. No, he wasn't. He was quite sick and already said his good byes to family. The drug is Hydroxychloroquine, we've been talking about it a lot. Too early to tell, but doctors that have been using it have had really positive results. Small sample though, like if Sogard was hitting .500 after the first week of the season. Larger studies are being done in US and other countries, we'll know more relatively soon.

Its use as a treatment for COVID-19 is the definition of experimental. Well, that's being argumentative for the sake of it. Obviously any treatment of C-19 is experimental at this point. But the drug itself is not experimental. It is FDA approved, and around for a long time. Supply would not be a problem if they wanted to go this route, there's only a limited supply because there's no demand yet. Just watch. I predict we'll see really positive results in WA and NY, it will go into more widespread use and save a lot of lives. Then again, I feel optimistic today.

And even with a yearly flu vaccine, TENS of millions in the US contract it and 0.1% die from it. That's not completely protective. Yes, even people who get the flu vaccine will get the flu. And it's a strawman argument that something is "possible" that it weighs merit if the likelihood is so low to be functionally zero. No, I can't disprove that space aliens landed and infected us with a novel virus to see how we would respond because I can't prove a negative (like aliens don't exist or they didn't land in Wuhan). The chance a completely protective vaccine is possible is so low that no credible person should use that as a basis to change policy. Policy should be based on highly likely possibilities. Otherwise you just end up killing more people. Giving people stuff and expecting either a positive finding or no harm is the reason we need the FDA. Often you harm people while trying to help them. I worked in a biotech company years ago and our first product made it through phase 1 clinical trials, but went down in phase 2 when it actually killed more people than if they received the control treatment. More died with the drug than without! That happens often. Too often to just shrug off the dangers. There's some data from China how to proceed with severe cases, not sure anyone in the US is paying attention because the WHO said it. I have no problem with doctors trying novel approaches when dealing with severely ill people, within certain guidelines. This isn't ebola or SARS, the mortality rate is much lower so the waiving of "experimenting" on patients isn't as justified. Except it's already approved by the FDA, and has been in use for many years. Even if it wasn't, what is the downside of giving dying people this drug? I understand clinical trials are needed to use it for this application on a mass basis, I don't understand why it's not an option for anyone dying, or even in critical condition. And again, this is a known drug, not experimental.

Doesn't appear to be that crazy. No gyms, theaters, dine in restaurants, spas, salons, etc. Just trying to keep people from congregating in large groups. It goes wayyyyyy farther than that. Most manufacturing, retails, service industries. It's not just gyms, restaurants, and salons- we've already been doing that.

There are none. Initially several anti-viral drugs already approved for other viruses were hoped to help. I believe 2 have been tried and the results are they FAILED to work as hoped. Both didn't do anything compared to controls to stop COVAD-19. Another hope is the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine. It has been used to treat the parasitic infection that causes malaria. One uncontrolled tiny "study" indicated hydroxychloroquine might help. How an anti-parasitic drug will be better than an anti-viral drug in treating coronavirus is not mechanistically clear. At this point hydroxychloroquine is a YUGE long-shot given that tens of thousands of drugs that show promise in small uncontrolled experiments end up with no positive result when properly tested in large studies. The greatest hope, to date ,was a japanese anti-viral that has been showing very good results with other viral infections and it failed. And for the vaccine rumors. There will be no completely protective vaccine. PERIOD. We have been searching for a vaccine for the common cold forever. The common cold is caused by Rhinovirus, coronavirus (human versions - COVID-19 jumped from animals) and several other viruses. Flu (influenza) has so many variants that when you do get a "yearly" flu vaccine you get many strains that they hope will be the common flu for the year - some years it works well, other years different/new strains are common that they didn't predict. So every year we get new shots for new/existing strains. COVID-19 is a coronavirus that is related to the human coronavirus that causes the "common" cold. There's a reason Fauci always says a vaccine is a long way away. Hydroxychloroquine is not a huge longshot. True, there have been no detailed study, there's no time for that. But it was a huge success when tried France, State of WA has started using it, and they are very optimistic so far. NY and other states have started experimenting. For the people who are dying, there is nothing to lose. I thin we'll see more widespread use as the week goes on, and it won't be theoretical anymore. We'll know soon if can have a substantial impact on saving lives. It's also irresponsible to say there will be no completely protective vaccine. You don't know that- nobody does. As you said yourself, the flu vaccine each year works against certain strands. It is entirely possible there will evetualy be a vaccine for C-19.

I've heard that experts are suspecting that 6 out of 7 people who get it will never shot any symptoms. Obviously at this point nothing that comes from the media can be trusted regarding this subject because the government will just spoon-fed the journalists...basically making the numbers say whatever message they want to get out there. But if 6 out of 7 people will never show any symptoms, in turn that would cut the death rate down by a factor of 7. And if that's the case, have the world governments made this a way bigger deal than it really is? I guess it all depends on if the powers-that-be decide this to be a "the world is coming to an end" day or if the powers-that-be decide this to be a "just don't panic" day. Personally, I'm just sick of it all. Most likely, we'll find out what our instincts have always told us. That it's right in the middle of those two extremes. So we semi-quarantine for another week, then back to business. Drugs are available to save lives, vaccines on the way. In the meantime at risk people should self quarantine for the foreseeable future.

Could be something, could be nothing more than less tests conducted or processed in some areas or less people seeing their doctor because it was Sunday. Too many factors at play to read into one day. I'd look for at least 3 to 4 consecutive days before putting too much stock into any trends. It's a good sign even if 100 are added every day. A lot of those are already positive cases that just haven't been tested yet. What you don't want to see is exponential growth. Like going from 416 to 8,000 in a few days. If that doesn't happen by the end of the weekend, it's back to work for everyone. Or we can say hello year 1850.

That's not going to happen, it can't. Lockdown of people at risk for that long, or loger? Yes. The entire population? No way. Looks like they're going to start treating patients with the Malaria drug Tuesday morning. Yhis is huge, and we'll know a lot very shortly.