I just think this list carries a lot of misperception. No one thinks of Counsell as one of the bad guys. We just don't want him to start. I think most fans here like the fact that he can work the count and draw walks while playing above average defense all over the infield. That's a quality bench player. Part of the problem with Vargas and Capuano (before the injury) is the fact that many feel Villy is a better pitcher than them but he'll have to go down so that one of them can be in the rotation. And to be real about it, Vargas just isn't that good compared to other pitchers we have. I think Kendall and Cameron basically receive good marks around here. Cameron was highly thought of by many when he was signed...some were just concerned about his suspension. Kendall is...well, let's talk more about what Kendall isn't. He's not Johnny "First Pitch" Estrada, and he can actually run. He's not a constant double play waiting to happen. Gagne showed up on the Mitchell Report...after he was signed for $10 million by a team that can't afford to throw out $10 million contracts to guys that may have only been good while taking HGH. I sincerely hope that he returns to his dominant form, but you have to admit that it's not unreasonable to question the situation. I think a lot of people like Zach Jack, but don't see him as a major league pitcher yet. And his windup is just hard to watch. I keep thinking he's going to punch himself in the face or something. The only thing I have to disagree with from the so-called "good guys" is Rivera. I don't think many here really view him as a major league catcher. Apparently the team doesn't either since Rottino is "the best catching prospect" we have, according to Melvin. Overall, as I noted before, you've basically taken the good players and said that we see them as "good guys", and taken the players that aren't so good and labeled them as "bad guys". Was there a point to this?