Bernman23

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Yeah Baby!!! Way to go Howard/Ruiz!!! It sounds like way to go Corey Patterson. But I'll still refer to them as the fightins' if they can come back and win on their own merit.

That's not really true either. He's 16th of 21 SS qualifiers in fielding percentage this season. He's bad all-around. It's a little relieving to get a win at a house of horrors, but they're not out of the woods yet. The quitting Phils aren't doing us any favors and still have two more against the Big Red Machine.

I don't want to start a big thing but he wasn't really whining. He was asked a question and he answered it. And everybody knew what the answer would be. I have zero problem with what Prince said because it was fair and the elephant in the room, but a player shouldn't be complaining when one of his teammates is succeeding in the role he insists upon far better than he ever could. He's blown 3 leads since becoming a Brewer. Axford has blown zero in almost twice as long of a span. Plus, K-Rod is winning. There is nothing for him to be dissatisfied about unless he's a spoiled brat and has skewed priorities.

Bring in the whiner

Setting fans up for the Prince departure: Fielder WAR: 4.3 (plus tonight) Braun WAR: 6.7 (plus tonight) WAR Ryan Braun

Great game and season by Randy. He's in the playoff rotation because like a bagel bite....you can wolf it any time.

It was with 2 outs in the inning and nothing materialized from it. That wasn't exactly a major event in the game. There was plenty of discussion during the 3-run inning.

Facing those 3 consecutive Cy Young Award Winners/Candidates (Worley hasn't been around long enough but has pitched like one) really messed with Green's confidence.

Because Green could only muster 1 hit in 3 starts against 2 Cy Young winners and a guy with a sub 3 ERA. See, I told you minor league numbers don't translate. Signed, Ron Roenicke

If the Brewers make the playoffs, then they have to align the pitching rotation so Greinke hurls at home and Marcum on the road.

But not against a former Cy Young winner or current candidate so he can say it was attempted but failed. Green found a seat on the bench tonight mostly on the basis of performances against those types of pitchers. Give him a shot at a 6+ ERA starter and I bet we wouldn't be getting goose-egged tonight.

I'm thinking the Phils and Pirates would have to when the Crew is a combined 2-8 at Cincy and Chicago this season. A winning roadie seems unlikely. If the Cards step up like they did previous two series', things still could get tenuous until the schedule softens the final 6 games. Then I'd figure they right the ship and clinch on the final homestand if they haven't already. But as Brewers' fans, we don't want it to come down to that after holding a 10.5 game lead, do we?

As was reinforced during the whole Yuni bunting fiasco, should and will are separate matters. As do I. It's pretty much now or never. You could pick up some insurance on the open market. However, that just may prove a waste of money that would have been better allocated to upgrade the ss position and bullpen.

I get what you are saying here; I am just not sure that the Brewers sacrificed all that much. They are still going to be really good next year.I think they will be a playoff contender next year also, but probably have a better shot at making a run this season, and long-term they sacrificed a beast such as Lawrie, plus it's still early in regards to the Royals' trade. Well in that case......I hope you die. Go Brewers!

http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/indifferent.gif Those are unfortunate misspellings if indeed unintentional. So he should have had the foresight to tuck a newspaper in his back pocket in the event that Carpenter cursed him out.

Aside from the bare minimum that's necessary to win the division, the Brewers better show something against the level opponents they're going to face in the playoffs and stop the D-Backs from catching them to have realistic expectations of doing anything in October. Given what they sacrificed for this season, another 2008 result wouldn't be satisfactory.

Based on what? I'm pretty sure he has more value than that. Gamel is 26. Best case scenario is Darwin Barney, most likely is Justin Sellers. Best comp for Gamel at this point is Ross Gload or Dan Johnson. You are correct to state that Gamel wouldn't net a palatable return (thus he shouldn't be traded) but don't confuse actual value with perceived. Other teams would probably view him as just another overage possibly 4A player, but I'd hope you know differently as a die hard Brewers' fan.

Lucroy was 5 feet behind the plate, lol. The Crew can't afford self inflicted mistakes like that tonight.

Eh, I can't really blame Casey for the AB or subsequent argument. The umpire has been giving a few inches off the plate making Carp's slurve virtually unhittable and he has been hitting that spot repeatedly. I guess this means Counsell in the 5-hole now. Ugh.

I think they were instructed to offer early in counts because if Carp gets ahead of you it can be all over. I think the Crew did damage against him in the previous game with the same strategy, but he's looked almost unhittable thus far with the high power fastball and slurve on the corners.

Damn, Carpenter is on. He's putting it wherever he wants and that slurve is nasty!

That's one argument that the front office apologist likes to fall back on. So by your logic, fans should never be able to question a coach then, even when his decisions are completely inexplicable to the majority of independent eyes observing them or the objective statistics. We aren't privy to what goes on in the locker room. Maybe if we were, we'd see that his other players are motivated by having to overcome statistically the worst 5-6 duo in the majors. Another argument is that coaches shouldn't be questioned by fans because they are inherently more knowledgeable from being offered the position. Sure, because nobody who has a job is unqualified for it. We find out if they were deserving by their performance in the time that follows it being GIVEN to them. Some paid manager's philosophies conflict with others. Should we not question theirs either? One of the two sides has to be wrong. Paul Goldschmidt was started in a division race immediately after being called up and the D-Backs haven't looked back. You mean to tell me that if Brett Lawrie weren't dealt that he'd have to ease his way into the lineup super slowly because we're so comfortable with Yuni B and McGehee? C'mon. There's a right and wrong way to handle this situation. Roenicke has handled it the wrong way. There have been two holes in the lineup throughout almost a full season now and a guy in the minors who projected to upgrade the .OPS in one of their spots nearly 200 points according to some projections based on years of data that's been compiled. Nobody is saying start him indefinitely regardless of performance. But give him a reasonable shot to correct a major problem on the team they'd have to overcome otherwise to win a title. And continuing to play him if he was performing is not an example of drawing upon a small sample. There's more evidence to indicate Green can be a good hitter at the major league level than Betancourt or McGehee. He's basically only been an elite hitting prospect when healthy. Betancourt has never been a good hitter in the majors or minors. And McGehee was a mediocre hitter in the minors before ironically being a much better hitter for his first year and a half in the majors. When has that ever happened? The only other example I can think of is Podsednik, who proceeded to prove his minor league numbers reflective of who he was. McGehee was the hot hand and Betancourt has never been hot.

Good to see Green in the lineup. I guess there wasn't much of a choice yet if Hairston is still out. RRR was also hyping Green's experience at 2nd base in the post-game presser, which was a turnabout from the previous spin when all middle infielders but Weeks were available. Now that Green has another opportunity, he needs to run with it. 1-4 with a double on Monday didn't make enough of an impression on Roenicke, even though it's average for a 3rd baseman which is significantly better than we can say about McGehee's performance this year. I think TG needs at least 2 hits, or get on base thrice, hit a homer, etc; so there can be no reasonable explanation to leave him on the bench anymore. Also, if he can play a passable 2nd base (aka Keith Ginter-esque), then that would help him get starts on versatility. Also, I talked about it last night; I'm interested to see what McGehee can do with protection other than Betancourt. I was dreading leaving it to Yuni B in the on deck circle, so McGehee could have been of the same mentality. More likely though is minor league stats were reflective of the player he is.

With guys like Yuni, it's "he has been hitting the ball hard" (which is complete and utter bullcrap) and with Taylor Green it's 'luck' when he gets a hit. It ***almost*** makes me think RRR doesn't want these kids to do well, so people can't second guess the decision to not bring them up sooner. Yeah, Yuni has had a significantly below average BABIP each of the last 4 years. There's not much unlucky about a pop-up 70 feet in the air not falling. He doesn't hit the ball hard at all on average. Meanwhile, Gamel had a well above average BABIP in 2009, which provided by far the biggest AB sample of his career. He's got quick hands and a line drive stroke (I'd hate for Crew fans to not reap the benefits of it for the future). You'd figure over time, more balls than the average player would fall in than anything, as opposed to the nary few that did this year, improving his numbers dramatically. Green has a line drive stroke as well. All but a couple of his balls in play have been liners. He won't hit .500 the rest of the season, but his hot start hasn't been due much to good luck. He's had a couple near hits that went for naught as well. I'd expect his BABIP to be on the high side throughout his career. I doubt RRR wants the kids to fail, but it takes a lot to dissuade him from his confirmation bias negatively toward rookies, as well as positively toward veterans.