And again I will point out that it's not about trading away talent, it's about the type of return. I'm not sure why we keep coming back to the same points in every thread but simply put operating the way the Brewers did had a scost. Melvin provided 2 very short term windows but those also came with a significant cost... 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013 are part of that cost... It's the difference between building an organization and patching a roster, and Melvin has almost exclusively done the latter since 2006. Yes it had a cost. You can argue draft all day long and will get no argument from me but the trades for Sabathia and Greinke were absolutely plus trades for the Brewers. The Lawrie for Marcum trade is the only i feel like could be argued was too short term and set us back. We didnt give up anything of super high value for CC and Melvin thought (like pretty much everyone else) that we would net a first round pick for CC after he left. Baseball's stupid compensation system screwed that up. The Greinke traded netted us a very good pitcher for a year and a half and then we flipped him for one of the best young SS in the game and a couple arms. Not sure how that really set us back a ton. 1 1/2 of Greinke (and a playoff run), Segura, Hellweg, and Pena for Odorizzi, Escobar, Cain, and Jeffress. That is not a trade that sets us back. Cain is just a guy in the OF, Escobar is a no hit SS, and Jeffress flamed out. Odorizzi would be nice to have, but Segura is a pretty solid long term player