Fear The Chorizo

With the current rule in place for plays at the plate, I don't think they can just try to run through home plate without sliding.

The 49ers would probably try to swing a trade of Lance initially to pick up some other team's 1st to send to GB for Rodgers, possibly include a player from a loaded roster as part of a trade - or just include a future 1st and a pile of this year's 3rds as a trade package. It's less likely than the Jets based on the legwork already done, but it's not that far-fetched. If the 49ers haven't recently shown the ability to be uber aggressive with trades, I'd tend to agree with you that it's just baseless rumors...and the fact they inquired about trading for Rodgers two offseasons ago...honestly if I was an aging QB looking for 1 more solid shot at a ring that'd be the 1st roster I'd want to be traded into.

Yep, and he's likely done for the season...I get the homeplate sliding rule was put into effect largely to protect catchers from injury, but this play is one rare reason why I wish a baserunner didn't have to slide on a play at the plate. At minimum if you slide into home feet first it shouldn't be with the intent of trying to touch the plate with your feet first - just way too much that you could potentially catch a cleat on weird and severely injure yourself going straight for the plate. Much safer play to actually slide head first or try a feet first slide off to the side while trying to sneak your hand over the plate. Its a shame for Cruz and the Pirates.

All I can think of is the tape of him getting completely shut down against UGA - TCU was overmatched all over the field, but Johnston couldn't get open at all with Georgia playing bump and run most of the game (when it actually mattered). Johnston was nursing a bum ankle most of last season, too - so maybe there's some concern on the health front. Tools and athletic ability appear to be all there - it could simply be a bunch of other players rocketing up boards based on who's picking and what perceived needs they have, too. Keep in mind that the last few drafts have seen a ton of WR's taken early, so it may be one of those years where teams that just recently picked a receiver in round 1 have other roster holes that need filling, and a team like the Packers could have an ideal fit fall into their lap.

That's ridiculous - I went through a similar ordeal a couple years ago, but was successful using the process our lender had in place with having an assessment done by a licensed assessor of their choosing. If I remember right, that assessment fee was between $300-$500 - our lender gave us the option to either pay it in full or tack it onto the load principle, which we promptly paid in full. Getting PMI off our monthly books was definitely a plus - it's helped us not be too impacted by increasing homeowners insurance and property tax increases that our escrow payments have tried to keep up with. This time of year is always a fun one waiting for the annual escrow analysis letter from the lender stating how much more our monthly mortgage payment is going to be...smh.

There are plenty of layers in this post that make it delicious given various thread histories on this board even if the spelling error on Keston's name wasn't intentional...but if it was intentional it just makes it gold. well done!

My company just won some work for a client that has facilities located in this part of the country, and I can't wait to time the work to ideal trout fishing times the next few years! We explored the area a few summers ago as part of a trip hitting up a bunch of national parks, and I caught myself looking for any for sale signs I could find nearby - my kind of spot to retire to.

Yes, I think we'll get conditional piece(s) - but I don't think any conditional pieces should or will go the other direction...unless the Jets pony up alot more than what's being discussed as likely trade value upfront. That's what an earlier post in this thread insinuated - Jets are wanting 2025 draft compensation back from the Packers if Rodgers retires after the 2023 season as part of this trade. If they won't move from that position, then I'd hope the Packers should demand more from them in the trade package upfront because the initial deal should be based on multiple Rodgers seasons in New York. If the Jets truly are asking this, then I'd hope GB is insisting on their 2023 1st at this point as part of the trade. Cheezwizhead's post or I'm not saying it's fact, but it's one of those rumors floating out there.

I'd say the return for Favre was more to avoid him going directly to the Vikings the same year the Jets acquired him. The performance-based conditions were kind of unlikely, but oh well. That scenario also occurred after the guy retired/unretired right at the start of training camp. If the 2023 draft comes and goes before the trade gets done, then Gute can just insist on the Jets' 2024 1st and 2nd if the Jets are adamant about tying 2025 return draft pick compensation to this trade. In the end, I agree that a deal gets done before this year's draft, it'll be good for both sides, and it won't carry multiple layers of contingency/conditional picks potentially heading both directions.

The proposed 2023 2nd and 2024 2nd that could become a 1st seems like decent value via trade for 1 season of Rodgers even with his current contract. In this scenario, if the Jets are adamant of future pick compensation in the event Rodgers only plays 1 more season and won't move off that hill, then GB should be insisting on their 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, and a conditional 2024 pick based on how the Jets perform next season because Rodgers' value shifts from just one season to multiple years. The Packers have dealt with contingencies and unnecessary drama related to Rodgers over the past 3-4 seasons, so I'm sure Gute is just flat out done with it all at this point and is right to tell the Jets to pound sand asking for future draft pick compensation based on the whims of what Rodgers feels like doing 12 months from now - unless he gets trade value based on 2+ seasons of Rodgers upfront...dealing with drama is part of the drill with a veteran QB when he's in your organization, but in no way should there be any additional draft pick-related compensation headed to the Jets from Green Bay based on what ARod decides to do after a 2023 season that he plays for a different organization. If the Jets want Rodgers, they should want all that comes with him.

It's pretty common for a step back to happen after winning back to back MVPs for a quarterback - particularly when you break the thumb on your throwing hand and you lose your best (and arguably the best) veteran WR to free agency and replace him with rookies who don't know yet what they're doing. That's independent of age. 38 yr old 2021 Rodgers is worth more than a mid 1st round pick via trade no matter what's left on his contract - 39 yr old Rodgers isn't as valuable, but the exact calculus depends on how much of last season's scuffles were due to his thumb compared to father time finally snatching away Rodgers' ability to take over a game. I think it's a combination of the two, and the uncertainty of it is a big reason why a trade hasn't happened yet. I also don't the the Packers absolutely HAVE to get 2023 draft compensation in a trade for Rodgers, and because of that they may stick to their guns long enough for the Jets to sweat a bit more than they're doing right now. There's zero need for the Packers, Rodgers, or for that matter the Jets to rush into a trade, even though all sides know it's going to eventually happen. Thinking it's more of a case of not wanting to be the first to get antsy.

Definitely is...both frees up cap space to add Rodgers to the fold and gives the Jets an extra 2nd rounder to either flip or use if they trade a different high pick. I like Homer's trade scenario, although I think it may be more along the lines of: Jets get: Rodgers (and ALL that goes along with him) Packers get: Jets' #13 and a conditional 2024 pick ranging from a 4th rounder (Rodgers retires) all the way to a 1st rounder (Jets make 2023 playoffs, or Jets trade Rodgers elsewhere for 2024).

Rodgers is still a great quarterback - but he was limited last season with that thumb injury. That being said, it was also apparent that he's entered the stage in his career where he needs receivers to get themselves open instead of being able to throw anyone open, and his mobility has declined enough to the point where he can't be relied upon to extend countless plays outside the pocket and take over a game. As great as Rodgers played, I think a big part of Rodgers' 2020 and 2021 resurgence to MVP level has to be credited to how amazing Davante Adams was his last couple seasons as a Packer. I've long maintained that Rodgers' ability to take advantage of defensive substitutions or getting pass rushers to jump offsides was a double-edged sword that limited offensive creativity/game-planning. Toward the end of MM's run, the Packers were willing to avoid a bunch of personnel substitutions to try and keep the opposing defense on the field, along with basically having zero pre snap motion. It stagnated the offense and limited MM's playcalling using all sorts of personnel packages, which was a strength early in his tenure as GB's coach. Rodgers always has enjoyed holding the ball in the pocket, almost waiting for a chance to extend a play to break the defense down. MLF's offensive creativity (or lack thereof) will have nowhere to hide next season - Love has developed fully in MLF's system, and won't have the experience a HOF veteran quarterback leans on no matter what the playcall may be.

I think I posted it earlier in this thread, but the rookie contract difference between a mid 1st and a 2nd round pick in a draft year that is by many accounts a down year talentwise makes the 2023 2nd rounder pretty solid, especially if there's also a player that could provide some value coming back and a conditional 2024 pick. The 13th overall pick this year would be nice, no doubt - but it carries a higher salary and that 5th year option.

That extension was the only way to get Rodgers' 2022 cap # down to something manageable for them to field what they thought was going to be a title-contending roster last season (reduced Rodgers' 2022 cap # by almost $20M, freeing up room to try and get Davante Adams signed). It was an extension that essentially gave them the option for a year to year approach of where both the team and Rodgers was each offseason, knowing at some point they'd likely either eat a big dead cap number and/or trade Rodgers. This is what happens with every team and a veteran HOF quarterback nearing the end of his career in the salary cap era - eventually all the extensions and salary cap can-kicking needs to stop. More often than not when that happens, the following season looks alot more like what Tampa Bay is dealing with in terms of being forced to burn it all down with cap casualty cuts and likely be forced into a lengthy rebuild in a dud year or two. As it stands, the Packers aren't forced to do anything at the moment even with Rodgers' 2023 cap # on their books, and they've got a young quarterback ready start without needing to find an immediate heir apparent in this year's draft. It's not a no-lose situation for the Packers, but boy it could be a helluva lot worse than it currently is.

Prior to Brees and the Saints, Payton was the Giants' OC that got Kerry Collins to a Super Bowl, then went to Dallas and was instrumental in them signing/developing Romo. Also easy to forget that prior to going to the Saints and playing in Payton's scheme, Brees was good but wasn't exactly considered a sure-fire HOF quarterback. The fact Payton has been around leading productive to potent NFL offenses for the last 20+ seasons gives him plenty more bonafides then Hackett - there's plenty of reasons why Hackett got canned less than 1 season into being a head coach and why Payton succeeded him

Sean Payton has nothing to do with this....but I'll humor you and state that Wilson will have a better 2023 season than last year. Nathaniel Hackett's calling card at the NFL level is the fact he's Paul Hackett's son.

He did such a great job with Russell Wilson last season...

I'd be just fine with a 13-15 swap, the Jet's 2023 2nd rounder, and a conditional 2024 draft pick that could range from a mid-round pick (if Rodgers retires and doesn't play in 2024) all the way up to a 1st round pick (if the Jets make the 2023 postseason OR Rodgers plays in 2024 for a team other than the Jets). If 2023 is considered a down draft year, I'd be hesitant loading up on 1st round picks in this draft and carrying more than 1 of those 1st round rookie contracts compared to adding an early 2nd rounder.

You could replace Rodgers, MLF, Murphy, and Love with Favre, McCarthy, Thompson, and Rodgers from 16 or so summers ago in this post and it would be the exact same position too many people held then. Let's just go watch the NCAA tournament and worry about this nonsense in a few weeks.

Because he's 40 and he wants to play - if he didn't want to play then sure, sit the bench and cash a huge check while destroying positive vibes from all corners instead of just retiring.

A 40 yr old HOF quarterback doesn't willfully ride the pine to cash checks and waste one of the last years of his ability to actually play at the NFL level simply out of spite for the organization he's been a part of for almost 20 years. Rodgers cares too much about his legacy to be that jaded. He would also be the biggest hypocrite ever by repeating the same history that got his career started, which he's consistently maintained being something he'd never do himself.

Anyway, that panic on Monday was a good money making opportunity...I picked up some $SCHW at a discount and it's already up 12%. I hope you've already sold to lock in that profit

This seems accurate, but the question becomes just how long the Jets are willing to wait and play chicken with their own short term outlook by not acquiring Rodgers. The draft takes place well before June 1 and that option bonus doesn't actually have to be paid until the first regular season game, if I'm not mistaken - are the Jets really willing to not have a starting quarterback through the draft and into training camp with their current roster makeup? If this goes sideways for them, everyone in that front office and coaching staff is fired. "Short term" to the Packers can mean 4-5 more months if they're not hellbent on getting 2023 draft picks as part of the trade - I really doubt the Jets are able to hold the line that long until leverage would appear to be more on their side.

At the time it became apparent that Rodgers was back in for the 2022 season, the Packers also had a more lucrative offer on the table for Adams to sign compared to what he got from the Raiders - so the amount of doubt with being able to "run it back" without Adams didn't occur until after any decision process on whether or not to try and trade the current league MVP took place. It would've been incredibly dumb to trade Rodgers last season once he indicated he wanted to play and return to Green Bay - frankly this all played out pretty well for the Packers longterm because it would've been incredibly bad for Adams to have signed that deal instead of wanting out and asking for a trade to a specific team.