Fear The Chorizo

I don't ever expect Turang to be a middle of the order bat or be a better offensive player than Adames was in 2022 or 2021 for the Brewers - he wont ever have enough pop to raise his slugging high enough...but he doesn't have to be in order to be a valuable everyday SS as soon as next season when you also factor in him not yet reaching arbitration. Turang's AAA numbers last season for a 22 yr old are plenty to expect more from him at the MLB level moving forward as he settles in. This is also by far Turang's worst offensive output as a professional, and he has a track record of adjusting to the jump at each level.

Compared to what Turang will make next season, yes Adames is making a ton of money. Turang will become a better offensive player than he is now, while Adames is what he is. Having a #3 hitter doing what Adames is doing this year at the plate is what can sink a season.

Yep, and he has time to develop and improve as a hitter while making peanuts at the MLB level. Adames is in his prime and making a ton of money to flirt with the mendoza line, getting hot for a couple weeks 3-4x a year to wind up with 20 or so homers, and doing nothing offensively in between from the heart of the order. At least I think all the talk of giving Adames an extension has gone away from even the most ardent supporters of throwing piles of cash at marginally decent players to watch them regress past their prime.

Teheran not the reason they lost...hitting, hitting, and more hitting is needed

Mostly due to defense...something Turang can also provide at short for league minimum next season.

Have you seen the starting DH on this team?

And he stunk offensively - he was the wrong guy to bring in for this roster. How did his DH numbers rate compared to the 8 guys with more PAs in 2022?

The Brewers philosophy has been to rotate a few different bat first players into the DH role. There's a big difference between bat first options that produce a low 0.700's OPS AT BEST even when attempting to rotate them in platoon advantages, and having a premium offensive player taking those ABs consistently. I get that the Brewers can't have players at every position making $10M+ in salary as part of their payroll limitations and that's going to always limit quality veteran offensive depth - but I actually think the Brewers SHOULD be one of the teams paying a professional hitter like JD Martinez a decent chunk of $ to be a lineup centerpiece that the Brewers can then fill in with platoon options at defensive positions to try and maximize offense out of those other spots. They paid Cutch almost $9M to be 2022 DH and he had one of his worst statistical seasons offensively with the Brewers, in large part because he was leaned on too heavily against RHP and wound up playing half the season in the field as a 35 yr old. They're paying Winker a similar amount to perform even worse offensively after the offseason trade. The problem is that the Brewers are picking the wrong bat-first veteran players in the offseason and wind up being stuck with them too far into the season before cutting bait and giving other options extended opportunities. As the rest of their roster construction leans heavily on defensive flexibility, the Brewers aren't in the same boat as other teams who might collectively have better (and more expensive) offensive players across their MLB rosters that would be viewed as decent everyday DH options if they weren't also considered starting caliber defensive players.

If you want to score more runs, having an everyday DH deserving of everyday at bats is better - if a regular position player starter needs to be off their feet to stay fresh, they should get a few extra games off compared to what they already get while also being a quasi DH. I get that a guy like Yeli needs time out of the OF to stay healthier - and yeah giving him a couple dozen plate appearances at DH makes sense over the course of a season. However, giving him substantially more than that then gives a 5th OF option like Taylor substantially more plate appearances as a corner OF, which in the long run negates any positive offensive impact keeping Yelich in the lineup when he's not in the field and probably makes the lineup worse in the long run. Now, if the Brewers were to consider moving Yelich into the fulltime DH role while improving their other outfield options if and when Frelick leaves no doubt he's ready in the next 1-2 seasons or Mitchell can stay healthy enough to start in center and shift Wiemer to a corner OF spot, I'd be all for it. That isn't a good option for the rest of this year, though.

Disagree strongly to this assessment, simply because Cutch wound up OPS-ing 0.700 and also played alot of OF last season, Yelich is a borderline GG leftfielder this season, Tellez is considered to be a good defensive 1B but is best suited with a platoon mate even at that position so he doesn't face LHP too much, Contreras is an offensive catcher but that doesn't make him an everyday DH option at this stage of his career (he's DH'd this season a decent amount because their primary DH option sucks), Renfroe is a good RF, and the other players you listed were either picked up off the scrap heap for peanuts or frankly not given enough of an extended shot as the team's primary DH (Hiura specifically). If they just don't want anything to do with giving Hiura an extended shot (like another full season, not a month) to be their DH, then they need to acquire someone who would fill that role on an everyday basis because they're an established MLB hitter who doesn't require a platoon mate. Then, if plus offensive contributors to their positions like Yelich and Contreras need a day off in the field but can still hit, that's when you have them fill in as DH if there's a platoon advantage or your regular option needs a day for whatever reason. The fact that there are 10 players who have gotten at least 20 DH PA for the Brewers in less than 2 regular seasons is the problem - if the Brewers prioritized that position there should be just a handful, because their production would preclude any other players from getting put in the order with much of any frequency. Bringing in Winker was a marginal attempt at this, but he appears to be damaged goods and frankly shouldn't be on this roster anymore.

While this is a very likely scenario that could happen based on the Brewers' m.o., I think it's also a point of significant frustration with alot of fans/posters in the Brewers viewing the DH as more of a role filled on a platoon-lite basis by position players who commonly are on the roster to begin with due to defensive flexibility/veteran 40 man depth compared to being bat first/glove optional players. I think it leaves an offensive black hole in the everyday lineup that could be more readily filled by the Brewers identifying 1 hitter to be their DH fulltime, which shouldn't be too hard to accomplish with a 26 man roster.

From a pitching standpoint, one thing that stands out with the Brewers is they seem to be aggressive in getting MLB-caliber arms up to MLB - particularly if they entered pro ball after college. Woodruff, Burnes, Ashby, heck even Peralta wasn't down in AAA too long before his callup in 2018 as a 22 yr old. They gave Small a similar shot last year and he fizzled...but guys like Gasser and Misiorowski probably aren't going to log a ton more minor league innings before their initial call up, and Uribe is already getting broken into the bullpen. Conversely, the Brewers have largely been hesitant to bring up hitting/position player prospects quickly at the expense of DFA-ing marginal MLB veterans. The offseason moves to pave the way for Turang, Mitchell, and Wiemer to see regular MLB playing time this season were largely financial ones but also solid baseball decisions - frankly all 3 had earned their shot through steady progression through the upper minors. This organizational approach is good for 40 man roster planning in the offseason and headed into opening day, but I think it makes things very difficult to make in-season changes internally in hopes of improving MLB offensive production. Once minor injuries inevitably show up at the MLB level, the Brewers quickly cycle into having bottom of the 40 man veterans getting a ton of starts in the majors while they wait on guys to heal up on uncertain timelines because adding any talented prospects or other minor leaguers whose onfield performance deserves a MLB opportunity means losing the veteran roster filler. I'm guessing there's going to be substantial roster churn at the trade deadline depending on any trades and/or MLB promotions that require prospects to be added to the 40 man.

Wondering what the Brewers' innings goal is for Misiorowski this season....would be ecstatic seeing him getting a handful of AA starts and winding up with about 75IP across three minor league levels for the year. Thinking there's a legit chance he's in Milwaukee at some point in 2024 as a reliever after getting some innings logged as a starter between AA-AAA to start next season, ala Burnes and Woodruff

well, that's a bit more exciting than his 0-12, 5K, 0BB series right after the AS Break to drop his BA back below 0.300.

yep - I don't see any team in the NL Central getting hot enough to run away with the division, so having as many tiebreakers in your favor in your pocket is a pretty big deal when it's likely either winning the division or not making the playoffs for the Brewers.

that's not what he said in the article at all, but you do you

I didn't see anything in that article about the trade taking the "will" of the team being the reason they didn't get red hot down the stretch - pretty much the bullpen treaded water despite all the moves, too many starters got injured and missed time to thin the staff out even more, and the team wasn't good enough offensively to overcome it. Would they have fared better had they not traded Hader away and left him continue imploding for the next 6 weeks of the season blowing more wins than saving them? Something tells me that would also look like taking the "will" of the team. Or, was it better having Hader around at the back end of the Brewer bullpen to lose playoff games like the one that ended their 2021 playoff hopes?

That was filthy, Devin...what a nasty strikeout pitch

That wasn't because they traded away a closer who couldn't get anyone out in July before the trade or in August and most of September after the trade. The Brewers just weren't that good last season.

I think a batting tee would have an ERA under 4 if it only had to face hitters 4-8 in this Brewer lineup

Ashcraft for the cg shutout? Jeez...

Or milwaukee

Yes, and it should be with 2 outs on a base hit

Understood and i wasn't implying you were a Winker superfan either...just added the quote to provide context to my post.

When your LH hitting primary DH doesn't start against a marginal RHP in order for your everyday RH hitting catcher to get in the lineup, your primary DH should be DFA'd.