Clancy, read the other thread on pitchers for my thoughts on Franklin. He's making a fine lefty reliever for the Giants. RH batters are hitting him to the tune of a .976 OPS, lefties, only .566 OPS. He can get lefties out. That's what he should stick to. There are worse things a guy can do for a career. You can spout all you want about teams records in pitchers starts. And anyone with common sense will tell you that run support is NOTHING MORE than a measure of LUCK. You can call it Wayne Franklin's inspiring presence if you wish, but, and I apologize if this sounds rude, that's just plain silly, and it's wrong. I don't even LIKE Matt Kinney. I'm glad he's out of the rotation. I HOPE however, that MAYBE he can find a niche in the bullpen. I don't care HOW much trouble Franklin supposedly "got out of". His ERA last year was a terrible 5.50. He obviously wasn't getting out of trouble as often as you believe he was. Kinney's ERA was an almost as bad 5.19. He sucks this year, and accordingly, he's out of the rotation. If you want to CONTINUE to turn every thread that is about pitching into your personal Wayne Franklin/Matt Kinney debate, go right ahead, I was commenting on Doug Davis in this thread, and yet again, you bring up Franklin/Kinney. Quite frankly, I'm a bit mad at myself for letting myself get drawn into this rediculous debate once again. You hate Kinney. You love Franklin. We know. We get it.