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I think they said April 18th would be his first appearance during the game.

Everyone told me it was safe to buy that Bill Hill jersey! Thanks a lot guys!

That's awesome!

Thanks! I'll pass it along!

I got a hat for Christmas 2 years ago that was green with a shamrock and the M on it. I've always found it odd.

I'll just throw it out there, I've had a testicular torsion. Not fun. At all. Fortunately I didn't require a surgery.

Can anyone tell me how to change back to the old pitching style on the 360? I have a friend who claims he can't figure out how to do it. I haven't picked up 2K8 because I've seen so many negative reports about it.

I bought tickets to opening weekend in Yankee Stadium last year, but as bball123h said, I had to do it the very day tickets went on sale to the public. Other than that, I don't know of anything specific either.

The man manages over $150 billion in assests and you're going to say he's a bad businessman and insult his financial intelligence because he's keeping Yost around? C'mon.

I read an article on brewers.com I think that there were still some scheduling conflicts for next year, and as such it wouldn't be released before the end of the season. There was a thread on here this week about the interleague schedule though, and no, we don't play the Yankees. We play the Twins, Orioles, Blue Jays, and Red Soxs.

Hey, I normally get a fridge magnet with next year's schedule at the last game every year, but not this year. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

It was really great to be present for that send off. The guys hugging him on the way out really touched the whole thing off. All the best to Jenks.

I'm going today and tomorrow. I'll be on my feet at the end of the game tomorrow, and I've said so for quite some time. I hope the stadium reacts the same way.

I think it was just poor timing mostly and probably a last minute idea. There was a thread on here last week were a bunch of people thought it would be great to have towels to wave at the final homestand, and several people thought they should be white. I do think it would have been better to have something printed on them, but I think they'd have a hard time finding a screenprinter who could pump out 40,000+ towels in a matter of days, especially on extremely short notice.

I don't know if this was mentioned in today's IGT, but it deserves to be here none the less, they showed during the game tonight that they were handing out these cards again. I'm going to guess they'll be doing it all weekend. Which bodes well for me since I'm going two more times. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif And, Attanasio was even personally handing some out and shaking hands.

I was too. I did find one. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif I'm actually curious if they'll do it all weekend, or perhaps again on Saturday, because last night's game did seem like an odd time to do it.

Yes, but nobody is going to be tossed for something that didn't look intentional in the least. And that would have worked both ways.

Yes, it is common to not let the best hitter beat you, that's why we gave him the free pass in the 3rd inning. It is highly uncommon to give him a pass in that situation in the 8th. Pitcher around him and maybe he draws a walk, fine, but you're not looking to put him on either. We'll obviously never know for sure, but the numbers dictate you normally pitch to him in that situation. But that brings the actual crux of the issue, intentionally putting Pujols on and then following that up by bringing in Turnbow. Ned has been better at pulling Turnbow when he starts to melt down, but the difference here is, you just put him into the exact spot he normally starts to melt down, runners on base. The more I've talked about this whole thing, I think that's what it really boils down to, deciding to use Turnbow after the plunking. Which isn't to say we had another great option, but at the very least you should know you're putting Turnbow into a spot he normally melts down in. As I said to another post today, if Turnbow had been brought in to actually pitch to Pujols, and walked him, lately they pull him right there. This time, we brought him in instead. That was the mistake on Yost's part. After that, yes Sveum should have pulled him when the bases got juiced, and Ned should have told Dale before the whole event to be sure to pull Turnbow at the first sign of trouble. Maybe he did and Dale didn't do it, we don't know.

Well for one the warnings were issued after Prince got hit, and two, it's standard practice to issue a warning first. Prince getting hit seemed intentional, but Thompson and LaRussa aren't booted in that spot really ever. Billy may not have even been hit, nobody would have been tossed for that.

I don't know how many times I personally have repeated this since last night, along with several other people, but here's another because it doesn't seem to be being read by the Yost supporters. Nobody is excusing the bullpen from not doing their job, Turnbow not being able to throw a strike anywhere near the plate is inexcusable. Plenty of people have pointed out how many runners were left on and opportunities wasted. The point is the move put the team in a position to fail, and fail they did. There's accountability on both sides. You can be upset they failed, but you should also be upset they were put into a position to fail to make a worthless "statement". If people want to defend Yost, that's your prerogative, but quit doing it by mislabeling the argument, its getting mighty frustrating. How does pitching around Pujols (the move, be it with 1 pitch or 4) put the team in a position to fail? The decision was to not let the Cardinals' best hitter beat the Brewers in that situation. It's the same decision that every manager faces when dealing with elite hitters. Plus, with a .996 OPS, the difference between a free pass to first and a Pujols AB are essentially negligible. You make the other guys on the team beat you: Cardinals hitters behind Pujols got big hits that brought in runs. Corey Hart went 0-4 and stranded 7. (The one time Hart didn't end a scoring opportunity, Jenkins walked and Hall grounded out). That's the difference in the game. Why didn't the Brewers "rally" around Fielder getting drilled earlier in the game, since that is what happens when you hit an opposing batter? IMO, fans / writers / second-guessers can't blame Ned for leaving Turnbow in the game (since he had already been ejected), so this decision is as close as they can get. I apologize if this is somehow "mislabling the argument," but it's the the only form of arguing that I see. Tell me why it was such a poor decision not to pitch to Pujols; how did it set them up for failure, when it didn't even put a runner in scoring position? For one I don't believe you pitch around Pujols in that situation. Yes he's a great hitter, but its not like he's impossible to get out. He went 4 for 9 in the series, which while good, is still getting out over half the time. And only 2 of those were extra base hits. I've seen several people say we would have either pitched around him to walk him, or given him an IBB in that situation, which I just don't buy. Pujols has gotten 1 IBB all year when there is no one on base, it is simply not a position where you intentionally walk anyone. When we intentionally walked him earlier in the game, with runners in scoring position, that's where you give the intentional pass to a guy like Pujols. You go out there and pitch to him and try to get the out. We'd already gotten burned by giving him an IBB earlier, so its not as if the guys behind him couldn't bring him in. There is also a clear mental difference between plunking him and pitching around him to draw a walk, or even Pujols hitting for a base hit. Only one of those options is going to really fire up the Cardinals bench. When Prince got plunked it clearly fired up the bench, but unfortunately it didn't translate onto the field obviously. Did that lead to the Cards coming out and scoring the way they did? I could see how people could make that argument, but I don't really agree that it did, we gave it to them as much as they took it. Taguchi was the only one who put good wood on the ball after that. The rest were bloops and walks. But there still is an obvious change in the mental state of everyone throughout the inning after that point. And in the same vein, the way that inning played out was much more spirit crushing than Pujols coming out and even hitting a solo shot would have been. 2 runs would have still felt manageable at that point, 5 didn't. I don't blame Ned for leaving Turnbow in, I blame Ned for bringing him in with a runner on base, that we intentionally put there. That's where I feel he was set up for a chance at failure. It is no secret that Turnbow is prone to melting down with runners on and in pressure situations. So if you really want to send a message to LaRussa, and plunk Pujols, then you don't follow that up by bringing in a guy who has high odds of melting down in that type of situation. Granted we don't have a lot of great choices to go to in that spot, but you know going in Turnbow enters the game at that point with extra baggage. After that point blame can get spread all over the place, but I firmly believe Turnbow is set up with a high probability for failure at that point, and he did fail. That's on him for not coming through, but it's on Yost for getting him there.

We're all entitled to our opinions, but I would like to know what has happened or what has been said to make you believe this? Is it just a premonition of yours? I mean, I tend to believe that the guys are playing hard for their own reasons and not because they respect Ned so much, but it's just a thought that I have no evidence to back up. I think it's fair to believe Ned had something to do with the team being able to continue to fight despite their struggles. Its pretty common for a manager to get credit for being able to keep the team together and motivated in dire situations. It's really easy to let negativity run throughout the clubhouse during stretches and someone has to be able to pick things up, keep motiviating people, keep them focused, etc. I think we have more indications than not that the clubhouse likes Ned and respects him. Unfortunately for the fans, we're not a part of that, and we're fed up with his game time decisions, but they're unrelated matters.

How are so many people convinced we would have given Pujols an IBB otherwise? It makes even less sense to give him an IBB in that situation. The only time we gave him and IBB was earlier last night when the Cards had a runner at second, that's exactly when you give him the IBB. And I agree Pujols is a spectacular player, but it not like its impossible to get him out.

He did, I saw it. He said he knew he was going to get hit and that it was the managers mistake that cost the game, yadda yadda.

Ummmm, should I just go with all of them? But I guess what I should have said was I think Turnbow may have just joined Matt Wise on laundry duty.

At the very least, Yost seemed steamed enough at Turnbow in the press conference that he may have finally learned his lesson. He didn't directly call out Turnbow, but he very heatedly pointed out that you should be able to close out the 8th with a runner on first and 2 outs.