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Again, he projects about as good offensively as Moose. Was he a bottom of the barrel player in your mind too? Difference being that Moose plays third base where offense is harder to find vs Garcia who plays a corner outfield spot where his numbers are a dime a dozen. Meanwhile we have no answers whatsoever at third base with a load of garbage options in free agency besides Donaldson who we rightfully aren’t paying 25 million per season for 4 years. So you would’ve preferred we overspend for a slightly above average player because he makes up for his lack in production by being a good teammate and charismatic personality? I honestly do not see the needle moving substantially more from resigning Moose and taking a one year flyer on a guy like Asdrubel Cabrera. Especially not enough to shell out an additional 3 years at $10MM per. Because by resigning Moose for multiple years, he likely helps you be good for multiple years, or at least not disastrous. Continually signing guys on one years deals means you essentially have to start over every year, and that means you have to hit on those players every single year. That's a tough thing to do. Was Aramis Ramirez a disastrous signing for the Brewers?? I would hardly say he was.

Excuse me?? I have been around the game of baseball for well over 40 years. But thanks for the insult. You know what?? Adding those types of players, and only those types of players gives you little margin for error. IF and it's a BIG IF everything falls in to place all at the same time, it looks great. If it doesn't, and even one or two of them falter, that's enough to derail an entire season unless it's a perfect storm of other things that go exactly right and you can over come it. That's rare. I also don't like all the one year deals they hand out. The reason they do that I suspect is because they KNOW they are throwing darts and if they are lucky, they get one good year out of someone, and then they feel like geniuses. See Jhoulys Chacin as a perfect example. I would like to see them have a "core" of veterans that are there for more than one year or even two combined with some good young talent. THAT is a much more sustainable formula to me then what they do now. I mean if Anderson gets shelled most of the year, Urias hits .220 Lauer is inconsistent, Lindblom is nothing spectacular, the Crew will be in HUGE trouble. That's living on the edge, with almost ZERO margin for error. That's not going to work consistently. Eventually, the clock strikes midnight.

You just got to the heart of the problem. I don't know if you are a football fan or not, but this is VERY similar to what all teams try to do to win a Super Bowl. You have a cheap superstar(QB), in the Brewers case, Yelich.. EVERYONE knows the key to winning in football is having a cheap superstar QB under contract for 5 years and spend a crap ton of money around him while you can during that window to try wo win it all. YES the economics of the sports are different, but this should be the same way the Brewers operate, and all MLB teams. If you lose some money during those years, well you just do. But you HAVE to capitalize on the window while you have it. I’d say they are capitalizing on the window by having back to back playoff appearances, but I’m sure you’ll just complain that they haven’t won a WS. They’re living within their budget and doing it very well. This offseason alone has been a great one in regards to getting younger and talented players at positions of need. The problem is that they just aren’t signing guys you like (due to name recognition or how much they cost) and so you will go down kicking and screaming the rest of the way and make every thread about you and how upset you are. They have done very well, no doubt about it...but then the question is...if they are THIS good with the payroll they have had, how much better would they be if the payroll was raised to $150 million or so for a few years?? Makes you wonder doesn't it?? Are back to back playoff appearances the be all end all now?? Or is the idea to get to and win a world series?? Yes, the playoffs have been fun and great, but do you think a single player or member of the organization is satisfied with that when they look back on it?? If they say yes, they are in the wrong business. So if they aren't satisfied, why should fans be?? How about playoff appearances that don't take playing ungodly hot baseball the last month of seasons just to get there. How about basically being on cruise control by the all star break?? Teams have done that you know?? It's not unprecedented.

Because if I said Moose has more career runs scored, more career, HR's, 2B's and RBI's, I would get told those numbers don't matter. Remove the anlytical numbers from it, then how do they matchup??

You just got to the heart of the problem. I don't know if you are a football fan or not, but this is VERY similar to what all teams try to do to win a Super Bowl. You have a cheap superstar(QB), in the Brewers case, Yelich.. EVERYONE knows the key to winning in football is having a cheap superstar QB under contract for 5 years and spend a crap ton of money around him while you can during that window to try wo win it all. YES the economics of the sports are different, but this should be the same way the Brewers operate, and all MLB teams. If you lose some money during those years, well you just do. But you HAVE to capitalize on the window while you have it.

Projections projections projections! I think this is what irritates me so much about every cheap signing the Brewers make. People will say well he Avisail Garcia career: .273/.323/.428/.751, .322 wOBA, 103 wRC+ (park adjusted) Mike Moustakas career: .252/.310/.441/.751, .321 wOBA, 99 wRC+ (park adjusted) Avisail Garcia 2017-2019: .288/.337/.473/.810, .342 wOBA, 117 wRC+ Mike Moustakas 2017-2019: .259/.319/.498/.817, .340 wOBA, 110 wRC+ Garcia will turn 28 next season, Moustakas will turn 32 You and your facts! Thanks for posting. Nothing like cherry picking numbers YOU deem appropriate to justify every guy Stearns signs.

Projections projections projections! I think this is what irritates me so much about every cheap signing the Brewers make. People will say well he projects to be the same as so and so. Except to this point in their careers they haven't produced like player so and so has. Projections aren't worth the paper they are printed on. You know what matters?? PRODUCTION. Until you prove you are as good as so and so, projections mean crap. Have you actually looked at Garcia’s numbers? Your posts continue to suggest that you haven’t. Garcia’s 2017 season was bette than ANY season Moose has put up in his entire career. I sure have looked at his numbers...have you?? ONE season...two years ago...and he hasn't put up a season like that since.. had he had two years like that since, guess what? I'd love him. But....yeah cite some excuse about not a hitters park or whatever that he hasn't matched those numbers And don't insult me...I know damn well who Avasail Garcia is...does he play 3B?? Maybe you think he does?? Do you know who he is?? I'm pretty sure you have consistently fawned all over every move DS has made. The guy never makes a mistake does he??

This is where I am at. It’s fine to trust Stearns as he has earned it but let’s stop acting like Brett Anderson and Garcia are great players because they are not. We are clearly dumpster diving and Stearns has shown he can make it work but guys like this are nothing to get excited about. When one of these guys crashes and burns(and they will) then I wonder what tune they will sing?? It will be "well, he didn't cost them much, so no harm done". except the harm was done, because they didn't produce. The lost production is what matters. That's the problem with signing guys like this...you are HOPING you get one good year out of them. Everyone liked the Chacin signing after his great 2018..but no one liked it when he became Jhoulys Chacin this last year. The Brewers try to catch lightning in a bottle when they sign guys. I don't think there is any dispute about that.

Again, he projects about as good offensively as Moose. Was he a bottom of the barrel player in your mind too? Projections projections projections! I think this is what irritates me so much about every cheap signing the Brewers make. People will say well he projects to be the same as so and so. Except to this point in their careers they haven't produced like player so and so has. Projections aren't worth the paper they are printed on. You know what matters?? PRODUCTION. Until you prove you are as good as so and so, projections mean crap.

+100000000 this thread can be closed down now, along with any other thread. You know why so many feel that way?? Because they get those players on a "good deal". That's all that matters to them. Even if the #'s for that player(after they acquire them) are crap...it's "well at least it didn't cost them much". It's all about the $$ and the value to most. Production be damned!

You were angry they didn’t resign Moose, but Garcia projects to have similar numbers as him. One can’t be a huge loss while the other is a ‘not a needle mover’ addition..... Two words Name Recognition LOL Avasail Garcia is a "name" just not an all star...Moose was, in case you forgot When Avasail hits as many HR's in a year as Moose does, let me know

A lower payroll? It seems like that but it gives us a chance to add significantly at the deadline by taking on contracts. A significantly lower payroll? I don’t know how anybody can say that with certainty. Still plenty of offseason left and time to add players - not to mention we’ve got 5 spots on the 40 man to fill still and players on there we could get rid of without hesitation. Did you see them signing Cain to his contract 2 years ago? What about Grandal last year? The difference is, there aren't really any players left worth giving $46 million too(to match last year's payroll), unless they sneak in and sign Donaldson and Castellanos. Without those two, handing out $46 million regardless of the number of players they sign yet, seems like severe overpays. And if they don't add more impactful players before spring training then they have to this point, I doubt they will be anywhere near contention to add at the trade deadline and use the $$ that way. Seems 99.9% certain they ARE cutting payroll, which so many seemed intent they weren't going to do.

I mean I don't care if they sign him or not. Don't see how much he'd really add to the offensive. Not a needle mover like I think Donaldson or Castellanos would be anyway.

And people laughed at the notion, and blasted me for saying it was obvious they were cutting payroll, and then linking things that said the same. This pretty much says they are 100%. Sure, it's early yet, but again, who is left out there that you are going to hand $46 million worth of contracts to?? They haven't been linked to Donaldson or Castellanos(arguable the two highest priced FA's left), so outside of those two, if you do give out 46 million to match last year's payroll, you severely over paid most likely which everyone here completely hates.

He has 2 years of control

Supposedly Clase throws a 101 mph splitter but still.. Sounds like more is involved? It’ll be interesting to see what else they get. Apparently not...that's it, that's the deal

Supposedly Clase throws a 101 mph splitter but still..

Thank you, I was just going to respond to your other post and say let's not just assume there are red flags as way of justifying the Brewers not doing this. Red flags or not, they dropped the ball big time on this one.

Nope...Brewers couldn't have met or exceeded this??

I 100% agree, I still think DS got caught off guard thinking he was going to bring Moose back at the very least. Still no clue what they are going to do about 1B and 3rd base...not much left out there that's going to really move the needle. Still would love Castellano's bat in the lineup, no matter where you can get him to play.

Seems fair. I would guess Garcia's production is similar to Castellano's going forward for far less of a cost. No

Why does a rotation need to be filled, in order, from top to bottom? The Brewers lacked a 3 yesterday morning, and they went out and got a guy that performed like one last year for a very affordable rate. Check. Doesn't exclude them from pursuing additional SP help. Because it's Woodruff, and then all a bunch of "flyers" in reality. They may work out fine, they may not. It really amazes me how so many Brewer fans like and get excited about these "cheap" signings, and how they are "great value". Well, for one thing, they are cheap for a reason. Could they be good?? Sure they could be, and that would be fine. But when it doesn't work out, it will be disastrous. Not in terms of money(which to me is irrelevant, results are what matter), but in terms of results. Going on what we know now, and who will be in the rotation, what happens if/when 2 of 3 of Lindblom, Lauer and Anderson don't work out?? You are down to one reliable starter in Woodruff, and no real remedy to fix the disastrous results the other 3 gave you, as the hole they have dug you is likely too deep to get out of, even if it's fairly early. Look what happened last year in going with the 3 young arms to start the year. Burnes was an unmitigated disaster and so was Peralta in the rotation. It took an unprecedented late season run to get into the wild card game and even though the team had other problems, to me, the decision to go with those young guys in the rotation was a big reason they had to make a late season run. The Brewers give themselves such a thin margin for error every year with putting a staff together, sure they may have decent depth if one or two guys go down, but you are just replacing them with another guy that's virtually the same pitcher and one who makes you hold your breath damn near every time he goes out there because you worry about them getting lit up. I guess I don't really understand the organizational philosophy to essentially "ignore" pitching and focus so much on hitting. Yes, I love a team that can put up a lot of runs, that is always fun, but i also dislike having a staff in which you never know what you are going to get on a night in night out basis. One night you might get a gem from one of the castoffs, the next night one of them gets lit up, essentially negating the gem you got the night before. I would like to see them have at least two top end guys who you pretty much know what you are going to get every night. Sure they will have bad nights, everyone does, but you know it's an anomaly as opposed to the norm. Others in this thread have said it..at some point don't you HAVE to take pitching more seriously, and make a splash signing?? Especially with 3 more years of Yelich control. Yes, TOR guys are expensive, I get that, and maybe Mark A would have to raise payroll levels higher then he would like(even though their payroll COULD be higher, he just doesn't want it to be) for 3 years, sometimes you have to take chances to be successful, good business people like Mark A know that.

Couple of things...you're right, at best he's a solid 3/4...the problem is and has been, Stearns signs guys that should be NO better than really 4-5 guys and one of them has to be a 2. He's been playing russian roulette with the rotation and so far it's worked, but it's not sustainable. Which brings me to my next point..I see everyone when they sign a cheap guy like this say "well, if he bombs, he only cost xxx amount of money, as if the low amount of money mitigates the disaster. Only in reality, you shouldn't look at it in terms of what he costs as far as it not making it bad..the RESULTS are what end up being bad, and costing the team dearly if it doesn't work out. You can't say "well, he was bad, but he was only 5 million". The 5 million doesn't make it okay if he's bad. The results are the problem if they are bad. Finally, I see people talk about "well, I like this signing of so and so, because it still leaves them money to go out and sign someone for more". In theory, that's correct. However, they are sitting on a boatload of $$ right now, but the problem is....there isn't really anyone left to give that money to. At this point, to me, if they "use up" all of their money and have the same payroll as last year(for example), then they likely severely overpaid someone to use up what they have.

That's a lot of maybe's to have to count on though. If even one goes bad, it could be disastrous. That's the thing, when you have stars, you have to "go for it". The window is so small, you have to take advantage of it while it's available. Why so many applaud the Brewers approach(though it's worked to this point), of signing guys and hoping the have a bounce back etc, is mind boggling to me. It's going to work some of the time, but it's definitely not a sustainable strategy. Look no further than Jhoulys Chacin. The Brewers got one really good year out of him, and in year two..he reverted back to being...well Jhoulys Chacin. Look at the "gamble" Stearns took in going with the three young arms in the rotation last year...yeah that didn't work so well, did it?? Hader is a known quantity, at least to this point he has been, why the rush to trade a guy and HOPE to make up the production elsewhere??