Brewcrewin07

Only the Brewers could make Bartolo Colon look like cy young at 44...What a joke this team is, with the way the Cubs have been playing, the Brewers had a great chance to have totally flipped the standings and be up by 1 1/2(or more) themselves. Can't even get out of their own damn way.

By then they might be down 4-5 to nothing and it won't matter

I don't get why this team lets so many good pitches go by, and swing at so many bad ones.

This is pathetic...if you can't tattoo Fatolo, you know your bats are just plain bad.

My boss and I were talking about that very same thing today. We both said, as soon as they start hitting again, then the pitching will blow.

I'm telling you, when Vogt gets back, this offense will get better. I know it sounds strange, but you watch and see.

Orlando, 3 run double coming up...

Let Jeffress close it out..he's used to being in that situation.

Love this idea...

When Jon Lester is going yard, you know the Cubs will never lose another game. Unbelieveable. A career .072 hitter and .092 slg% and he homers...talk about a horseshoe.

Holy cow, you may be right! Nope, not him.

This is what i think as well...I'd be willing to bet Stearns will claim several players at one point or another. I bet he claims Verlander and Kinsler if they are still in it in a week or two. then it depends on what could be worked out.

This is a great post Ennder..and I'd like to touch on the highlighted quote. First i agree with you that Gray isn't an ace, but Verlander and Darvish are. I also agree with you that they need 4-5 players..Here's what i would have done, and I think you could have done it all without touching Brinson. Now, right or wrong I'm going to base this on the prospect rankings(by system that teams gave up to acquire these players). Now also keep in mind, the topic was about what was needed to compete THIS year...so control is NOT an issue for this comparison. Here's who I would have targeted: Darvish/Verlander Wilson Kinsler Granderson That's 4 guys that touch on the Crew's major weaknesses this year..now who would I have given up to acquire these players?? Again remember, really the only baseline we have to compare is the prospect rankings by organization.. Brewers get: Yu Darvish(the Dodgers gave up their #4, #17 & #27 prospects) Brewers give up: (#4 Brandon Woodruff, #16 Trey Supak(had to substitute him for #17 Ryan Cordell), #27 Larry Ernesto Brewers get: Justin Wilson Brewers give up : Isan Daz and Jacob Nottingham Brewers get: Ian Kinsler Brewers give up: Hard to judge what it would have taken, but given the Brewers would have taken on salary it couldn't have taken too much..so lets just say they give them a top 30 prospect..Let's just say Kodi Medeiros Brewers get: Curtis Granderson Brewers give: Again, hard to say, but let's just say it's a minor piece...pick whoever you want. In looking at this, would that REALLY have been giving up that much for the Brewers in gaining those players?? I don't think so.

If you ask 99% of the posters here...they are legit NOT contending. Hence why no one wanted to see DS make a big trade. Look, the window(s) for small market teams to contend is so small, that anytime you get a chance you should do whatever you can(within reason) to capitalize on that. What if that window doesn't come around again for 10 more years?? I remember people here being legit upset when DM acquired CC and Greinke. He even said at the time, when your a small market team, you only get so many opportunities, so you have to try to "go for it" when you can. He's right. None of us know what the future holds...but we do know what the present holds..and overachieveing or not, they ARE contending at the moment. We also know that standings can turn dramatically in a week or two. In two weeks again we could be looking at the Brewers on top again with a 2 or 3 game lead. Then wouldn't everyone be a little disappointed that DS didn't do a little more now to help them maybe get over the hump?? I assure you Mark A is disappointed. "(Stearns) batting average is so high now, we’re going to listen to anything he recommends. But, just from ownership to him, there has been no pressure to divert from the plan.” “I had a meeting with (GM) David (Stearns) and (manager) Craig (Counsell) about a week ago, and I was very clear there would be no pressure from me to divert from the plan,” Yeah, sounds like Mark A is probably just seething right now. Please don't put words in my mouth...I did NOT say seething..There is a HUGE difference between seething and being disappointed. Sure Mark A said this, but there was also a blurd in fanrag last week that said Mark A was more willing to part with Brinson for Gray then Stearns was, but that he'd defer to his baseball people. I think it can be inferred from that that Mark A was a bit disappointed something wasn't worked out for Gray.

If you ask 99% of the posters here...they are legit NOT contending. Hence why no one wanted to see DS make a big trade. Look, the window(s) for small market teams to contend is so small, that anytime you get a chance you should do whatever you can(within reason) to capitalize on that. What if that window doesn't come around again for 10 more years?? I remember people here being legit upset when DM acquired CC and Greinke. He even said at the time, when your a small market team, you only get so many opportunities, so you have to try to "go for it" when you can. He's right. None of us know what the future holds...but we do know what the present holds..and overachieveing or not, they ARE contending at the moment. We also know that standings can turn dramatically in a week or two. In two weeks again we could be looking at the Brewers on top again with a 2 or 3 game lead. Then wouldn't everyone be a little disappointed that DS didn't do a little more now to help them maybe get over the hump?? I assure you Mark A is disappointed.

Goodbye!!!! I can prove 100% without certainty the Brewers will contend again in 5 years. Now we will see if you're a man of your word. Semantics...playing on my mistype...you know it should say WITH certainty or Without a doubt.

Further, if you can 100% without certainty prove to me, the Brewers will contend again anytime within the next 5 years, I will leave this board for good. Goodbye!!!! I can prove 100% without certainty the Brewers will contend again in 5 years. Now we will see if you're a man of your word. Prove it and I'm gone, i am a man of my word, but just because you THINK they will doesn't make it so.

I don't think you're going to win this argument and I don't think anyone's going to change your point of view. Everyone that's against overpaying for players are against it for the same reason you're for it, they hate losing. There has to be part of you that understands that trading away prospects has some affect on the future success of the team, correct? By trading away our top prospects, you're not only trading away the potential for many years of controllable, high upside, low cost, talent (which is necessary for a team in Milwaukee's market and in a sport with baseball's salary structures... you *have* to hit on some prospects in order to have a chance at a winning team), but you're also trading away prospects that may be better used later in trade when the rest of the team is closer to being truly competitive. For most here, it's a timing issue. It's not convincing that this is the team to start using our assets on when they've 1.) played well above expectations, and 2.) have really just been a team hovering just above .500 all year and really only maintained 1st place for so long because other teams in the division underperformed for the first half. The Cubs have already surged past us and they are undoubtedly the more talented team this year, regardless of who we did or did not trade for. It seems very unwise to knowingly overpay in prospects when the likelihood of actually making the playoffs is still so low. If you don't agree, that's fair and your opinion, but to constantly act like it's the most perplexing thing ever to want to build through the farm system instead of striking when on paper this team is overachieving seems a bit dramatic. Okay, I totally get they are overachieving this year, zero doubt about that. That being said..as we can see, standings can turn dramatically in the course of a week or two. Just because the Cubs are hot right now and the Brewers are cold, doesn't mean that in two weeks(after the Cubs are done playing 9-12 against Arz and Washington), that the Brewers couldn't be right back on top of the division with a 2 or 3 game lead. Yes, they could also be 5-6 games back too. I certainly understand that. But let's be honest with ourselves..as I noted in a different thread a few days ago, everyone here I'm sure is well aware, that of the three major sports..MLB, NFL, and NBA, baseball is the most likely of the three to have a champion that truly wasn't the most talented team. We have seen it before. There is just so much variance in baseball, that a little bleeder here, a ball 4 call on a pitch that was actually strike three, a foul pop that pop's out of a fielder's glove leading to an extended AB HR...anything like that can turn a series completely around. You don't have to be the most talented team for those things to happen...just have to have it happen at the right time. In the NFL and NBA, almost always the more talented team wins, and it's easy to predict who's going to win. I am not, and was not ever a fan of "emptying the farm". But I do think many of you are too attached to some prospects that you think they are better then they probably really are. And, what if they don't get to the point in the next 3-4 years of close enough to contending to then deal some of those prospects to "go for it"?? All things being equal, when you look at the prices that were paid for say Justin Wilson and Sonny Gray, was it really that exorbitant for players still under control?? It was said, the tigers wanted a 3B..so could the Brewers have not centered a deal around Lucas Erceg?? Or at least included him in it?? The A's took a HUGE risk taking two Yankee prospects that are currently inured, and even with that, the HIGHEST ranked prospect the Yankees gave up was #4. You mean to tell me the Brewers couldn't have afforded to part with Say Breett Phillips + to acquire Gray(not buying Oakland would have ONLY taken Brinson)?? I do think DS is going to let this play out another week or two and see where they are at then..then we may see him acquire some guys, cuz I will guarantee you he will claim quite a few on waivers. I can tell you with almost 100% certainty there is someone more disappointed then me in their lack of activity(even if he wont admit it publicly)..the owner Mark A. I promise you, he almost certainly wanted some bigger moves to be made. I do think though, that DS is going to let this play out another week or two and see where they stand then,

No, but it surprises me some people actually think Stearns is passive. Yeah I don't think the Brewers have traded more in a 2 year period than when he has been here. Not making short sighted moves to chase a one and done playoff does not mean being passive. Prove to me with 100% certainty they would have been one and done...if you can, I will never post anything negative about Stearns again. Further, if you can 100% with certainty prove to me, the Brewers will contend again anytime within the next 5 years, I will leave this board for good. It really does amaze me how many people here are content with a rebuilding plan(ie losing a lot), that is not guaranteed to work. if it doesn't, the brewers could be in for a looooooooong losing draought. And you would all be okay with that?? I just can't handle losing. It's my competitive nature. I just don't get why so many people are accepting of it.

Without knowing for who or for what, does it surprise anyone the ever passive Stearns didn't pull the trigger??

What a fantastic trade this is. DS clearly won the trade deadline...this certainly sets the Brewers up to not only make the playoffs this year, but also contend for the next few years. Blown away by his mastery of the trade deadline when it comes to buying. Absolutely giddy with excitement over this one! I hope the brewers reclaim the division again in a week or so, and see how everyone reacts here. I'll have my popcorn ready for that one.

I hope they do. They're in a bidding war with the Dodgers and I hope they win it. They can exhaust the last few remaining useful assets in their farm system for a good not great reliever with only 1+ remaining year of control. That's a great big picture scenario for us, actually. This is just hilarious adam...you really think the Cubs care about their farm system?? They don't. Their major league team just keeps getting better and better, that's all they care about(what a novel concept..wish the Brewers would adopt this philosophy). When guys are free agents, they decide who they want to keep, pay them, don't pay the ones they want to let walk, acquire more big name stud FA's to replace them, and away they go. There is ZERO big picture scenario for the Brewers in regards to this, other than the Cubs just keep getting better and better by acquiring young, controllable talent(EXACTLY what DS claims he wants), and the crickets keep chirping in DS's office with his lack of doing anything. EDIT: Post modified to comply with forum ettiquette rules which prohibit cuss words using asterisks (*).

I just don't get it..DS claims they want young, controllable talent, and I 100% get that. Yet, I watch teams like the Cubs gets two controllable players in Wilson and Quintana, for quite frankly not all that much, and I ask myself...what is DS doing exactly?? It's like he makes one offer and if it doesn't get accepted, that's it. He draws a line in the sand, and never makes another offer. It's very perplexing. It's not like the Brewers are ever going to be competitive on their farm system alone. They are going to have to acquire players outside the organization as well.

I agree 1000% John. I look at the return some of these controllable players are bringing back, and I ask myself...what the hell is DS doing?? It's not like this was any great cost for Wilson either. Same with Quintana. It almost has the feel like Stearns makes one offer for someone he wants, and if it's not accepted he just doesn't bother making another offer. Again, you are not talking rental players here...these are controllable players which DS says is exactly what he wants. They aren't only win now moves. It's perplexing to say the least. The Brewers will end up doing nothing today, and if they do do anything it will be something minor and hardly impactful.