Yes, that is exactly the point I meant to make in my indirect way. If the people running the team keep telling us that the talent is there and yet the results don't show it, then either something needs to be done about it. Otherwise what are they going to do, say "we lied, we don't really have that much talent"? (sources outside the team would indicate that is not the really case, but would we not have to assume that the team's owner and GM believe this, if they don't change anything, despite the mediocrity). BTW, I don't think you need to keep putting loaded with talent in quotes like that, it seems pretty condescending when written repeatedly that way. IMO. Sorry if the quotation marks made it seem that way and now I sure can see how it would. I did not really intend that the quotes meant I was using the phrase an ironic sense, I really meant it as just a quote of the sort of thing we keep hearing from the team and other sources.