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Right, but the issue is the Stay at Home order.

And if you don't trust media reports that's your prerogative but at least follow some epidemiologist or infectious disease docs on twitter or something. Like this guy: https://threader.app/thread/1242232846900756482

I would guess that it spreads people out to get their necessities. If there is only ONE place to get food, everybody has to go to that place to get it. This seems problematic to me. It also helps those restaurants stay in business. I hear what you are saying. This is how I view it. Now I'm sure there are people who love the deli/bakery at their local grocery store, and because of that will make 3-4 trips to the store every week. But I think those people are in a minority. For most people, I'd guess the grocery store is a once a week or once every couple of weeks trip. Before the COVID-19 stuff started, I was a once a week to the grocery store and generally 3 times a week stop somewhere and pick up dinner to take home. I have completely stopped with the takeout food and an just doing grocery shopping once a week but am going to try and stuff as much in my fridge after the next trip where I can make it a once every two week trip. I'm guessing there are a lot of people out there like me who would limit there movement much more if takeout food wasn't an option. Also, what about if the one kid working the drive through at McDonald's is also the one person who has been infected with COVID-19 and just doesn't know it yet. Now the rules have funneled every customer right to a contagious individual. And as far as allowing take out food allowing restaurants to (1) stay in business and (2) spreads people out more...wouldn't that apply to all retail businesses? If I need a couple new shirts, instead of being able to go to a clothing retailer, I now am forced with all the other people to a Walmart or Target. The Ohio Stay at Home thing is a joke and I'm guessing Wisconsin's will be equally as ridiculous. The way Ohio's is, it would be perfectly fine to start out my day by going and getting some groceries, and then stopping at the auto store to pick up an air filter on the way back. Then I could head to the laundromat, then head to the wacky weed dispensary to pick up some dope, and then go pick up some take out food. So I have to ask, what good is an order like this? Just seems like politician's doing the "we're going to save you" pose, when essentially these orders aren't really accomplishing anything at all except preventing me from getting my springtime haircut. Time will tell. Illinois employed theirs on Saturday at 5pm. We'll see in a week or two how well that stemmed the new case load.

I'm just skeptical of how the policies actually accomplish that. Maybe there's a small handful of people who might be coerced by a governor's order, but for the most part, those who take this seriously are already following stay at home policies. Those who aren't really going to have their mind changed by a policy that let's be honest, isn't going to be legally enforced. Same with businesses. Aren't we already at the point where non-essential businesses have closed and we're only left with the essentials? I don't know what is open and not open in WI right now. And if people want to go hang out in a basement yeah this doesn't stop them. I'll be curious to see what the rules are around this. Here in Illinois I haven't found it all that restrictive from a personal perspective.

Also, the immediate goal isn't necessarily zero transmission. It's reducing the rate of transmission so the healthcare system can handle it. Stay at home policies accomplish that.

Re: liquor stores I think there'd be mass looting if they all closed.

Yes! They are all flipping insane.

There was a Marquette thread but no posts since November. viewtopic.php?f=156&t=38289

The government is still heavily regulated in paper so if there even was a willingness to do this it would take an act of god to get the US government to go from paper to digital. Currently in compliance for a bank and everything has to be on paper otherwise some departments are out of compliance. There are some other countries where paper is not needed and it is all digital. Unfortunately in the US that is not going to happen any time soon as the baby boomers and gen-x are still holding onto paper records being the standard. Gen-x is about as stubborn as the baby boomers are in not wanting to go digital. We also know cursive and will use it to communicate code like the Apache in WWII.

In case anyone was wondering, pointing a hair dryer up your nose will not kill the virus.

Per capita, New Orleans far outpaces New York. Probably from Mardi Gras. https://www.wwno.org/post/new-orleans-outpacing-other-covid-19-hotspots-rate-cases-capita

Yikes. That's truly horrifying. Yeah sorry I'm not trying to be gruesome or scare anyone but I think it's a bit more complex than mortality rate or age of people that are dying.

Hilarious. Ours is 5-years old and we made cookie dough with it yesterday. Ha! I had to pull it out from under the sink to make sure I actually had a bread dough attachment (well first I had to look up what a bread dough attachment looked like).

I got a big a$$ Kitchen Aid mixer three years ago and have never used it. Today I make bread.

Yes, most people that get it recover just fine. But I think something to consider is the way people die from this. My understanding is that it's kind of awful - they aren't just falling asleep and not waking up. Most are on ventilators that are supposed to breath for them but they can't quite do it just right because of the diseased lung tissue. That is not a pleasant way to go. People are basically drowning in their own fluids. If someone has other info I'd like to read about it. https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

And a clue from that article why Italy's mortality rate is so high - they are only testing people with SEVERE Symptoms. So there are likely 3-4 times as many infected that just haven't been identified as they are either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. Sounds like the Germans are testing anyone they can. Based on what you are saying about that article.... So much dishonesty (and unknown being put out as “facts”) being printed by journalists it’s not funny. Some people need to lose their profession when this is all said and done. Basically with our alleged horrible testing our death rate is still only 1.3%. At the risk of being called someone that doesn’t care because I really do and it does bother me when I go out, we may be ruining our way of life over essentially nothing when we look back in a few years at this. I repeat, it is very real to those infected or who lose love ones, not downplaying it in that manner. The “essentially nothing” refers to other diseases we lose scores more people to and nobody cares because it happens slower, as well as there is no shock factor or ability for government to twist the population around its finger and see what they can get away with. As of today approximately 0.000033% of the world has been confirmed infected with coronavirus. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Other diseases aren't as contagious. If we say "it was nothing" in a few years that means we did it right

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/815408287/how-the-novel-coronavirus-and-the-flu-are-alike-and-different This is why Covid - 19 is not the flu: .

I forgot how much I liked diced potatoes fried in a cast iron pan.

South Korea and Japan have also dealt with this before and were on top of it from the get go. Hopefully we learn from them after this.

Covid 19 is not the flu. Stop comparing it to the flu.

Since a lot of people are getting info from a lot of sources, I thought I'd post the latest update from the World Health Org's Director General. This is from yesterday (sorry for the weird formatting): More than 200,000 cases of COVID-19 have been reported to WHO, and more than 8000 people have lost their lives. More than 80% of all cases are from two regions – the Western Pacific and Europe. We know that many countries now face escalating epidemics and are feeling overwhelmed. We hear you. We know the tremendous difficulties you face and the enormous burden you’re under. We understand the heart-wrenching choices you are having to make. We understand that different countries and communities are in different situations, with different levels of transmission. Every day, WHO is talking to ministers of health, heads of state, health workers, hospital managers, industry leaders, CEOs and more – to help them prepare and prioritize, according to their specific situation. Don’t assume your community won’t be affected. Prepare as if it will be. Don’t assume you won’t be infected. Prepare as if you will be. But there is hope. There are many things all countries can do. Physical distancing measures – like cancelling sporting events, concerts and other large gatherings – can help to slow transmission of the virus. They can reduce the burden on the health system. And they can help to make epidemics manageable, allowing targeted and focused measures. But to suppress and control epidemics, countries must isolate, test, treat and trace. If they don’t, transmission chains can continue at a low level, then resurge once physical distancing measures are lifted. WHO continues to recommend that isolating, testing and treating every suspected case, and tracing every contact, must be the backbone of the response in every country. This is the best hope of preventing widespread community transmission. Most countries with sporadic cases or clusters of cases are still in the position to do this. Many countries are listening to our call and finding solutions to increase their ability to implement the full package of measures that have turned the tide in several countries. But we know that some countries are experiencing intense epidemics with extensive community transmission. Rest of the speech here: On research/vaccine:

No one's saying what we're doing will be 100% effective. What we're doing is slowing the spread of the virus so our healthcare system can handle it. And social distancing doesn't mean don't go to the grocery store. It means keep your distance from others when you do. Obviously you might occasionally get close to someone but just do your best to stay 6 feet or so away from people. Flattening the curve is the entire reason we are where we are right now.

Just make sure you are six feet from another person when you yak.

People with asthma are susceptible to getting very sick.That's like 25 million people in the US. From WHO: Does the new coronavirus affect older people, or are younger people also susceptible? People of all ages can be infected by the new coronavirus (2019-nCoV). Older people, and people with pre-existing medical conditions (such as asthma, diabetes, heart disease) appear to be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill with the virus. WHO advises people of all ages to take steps to protect themselves from the virus, for example by following good hand hygiene and good respiratory hygiene.

Yeah there is just a ton we don't know right now. As more cases are discovered and more people recover they'll figure out a lot in a short period of time.