Except for Turnbow, all of those guys have at one time or another come back after poor major league seasons and been very effective and even Turnbow made some improvement from 06 to 07. Mota in particular has followed up bad years with exceptionally good seasons. He's done that more than once. Torres went from 7-5, 4.76 in 03 to 7-7, 2.64 in 04. Gagne is further removed from serious arm problems and was very good for Texas for 4 months last season. Furthermore, they don't need all of them to be great, just 2 of Gagne, Torres, Mota, and Turnbow, and as long as Riske performs close his level last year, that will give them 3 solid veteran short relievers. The roles may end up having to be shuffled at some point, and they don't have a very good manager using them, but all in all it should be a better pen. Plus they have a wild card in McClung who could figure in there too. As to logan's concerns about multiple inning pitchers, somebody will have that role. It could be Capuano. It could be Vargas. It could be both those guys if they trade another bullpen arm. Torres in the past has been more than a one inning guy. What logan brings up though speaks to the Turnbow situation. If all the guys they acquired perform to expectations, Turnbow has no role because he can't go beyond one inning. That's why I think he can still be traded.