PAP isn't perfect but I've seen real results from it. The leaders on the PAP board almost universally get hurt or are worse within 2 years of being on it. OPS+ is a good idea for a stat, it just isn't carried out very well. There are players that get a bonus to their OPS+ because of their park while the park actually hurts their production and vice verca, I don't want that in a stat. Like I said, if you aren't compelled by what I've said then it is a useless argument. I don't have the statistical background to go through and prove to you the errors caused by the fact that some parks are hitter parks for some players but pitchers parks for others, if you don't agree with that I can't prove it to you other than to show you a park factor chart which I'm sure you've already seen. (btw I said borderline useless not useless, it has some value it just isn't very high, just giving me 2 players OPS+ doesn't tell me enough to compare the players accurately) Don't get me started on how terrible ERA+ is or we will be here for ages~.