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Rogers is a AAAA player and at best you are looking at a platoon bat. There is nothing more for him to prove he is what he is. I would rather go with someone like Alvarez who if he hits anywhere to what Lind did here you can get a nice prospect or two back at the deadline. Getting additional prospects and a top 10 draft pick is greater than a top 5 pick in the draft. Why is Rogers being classified as AAAA and a platoon? I agree he is what he is at this point which very well could be a 20 hr guy with a decent OBP. That's not special as a 1B but I'd take that over signing Alvarez. I don't see much of a platoon split in limited AB's last year. Was that the case in the minors? People want to talk about flipping Alvarez potentially, but wouldn't you rather see what Rogers is? I don't have any faith in him playing well enough to return anything of value. He'll just take up a roster spot and playing time. Maybe Rogers does his best one year Allen Craig impersonation and they are able to move him instead for something of actual value.

Pretty much agree with this. We traded a 32 year old platoon 1st baseman with an injury history with one year remaining on his contract. I have no idea if the 3 guys he was traded for will amount to anything or even see a MLB game but I like the risk. Heck, I'd even question whether or not anybody in the organization even saw them pitch live but maybe I'm underestimating the depth of scouting departments. I'll be a much bigger judge of a LuCroy trade if and when that happens.

Agreed. I'd much rather center a trade round others in their system. I want nothing to do with him as a center piece.

I'd be supportive of Lind for Bundy, but not Davis.

Perfect opportunity for the Brewers. Talent and potential should trump any immediate roster need. One of the advantages of a rebuilding team, they should take advantage.

Daniel Murphy. He can play all over; he could play third for the Brewers. He's a high contact, solid average type. (on a team of free swingers I think having some balance in that regard is valuable). His versatility would be valuable on the field and in a potential trade.

Fair point. I would definitely be interested in seeing if he can transition back to being a starter.

Peralta, Nelson, Jungmann, Garza, and Davies, with Blazek getting a shot to unseat one of those. As LouisEly says, Blazek has 3 pitches whereas Smith only really throws two. Not that it can't change, but he's pretty valuable where he's at. Maybe K-Rod gets moved later this year yet and Wil gets his shot to close. I don't like the idea of adding Zimmerman at all. He's had one really nice year and is going to command a large deal. His peripherals are very average.

Maybe it's a coincidence but does anybody know if there's a change in or a more recent emphasis on ground ball rate in the organization? Peralta, Nelson and Jungmann are all fairly well above average ground ball pitchers. Supposedly their new acquisition Davies also generates a good number of ground balls. I definitely like the trend. I don't know much about the batted ball tendencies of our minor league guys but are they also trending in that direction?

Seems like a fair return. It really sounds like Davies is pretty much ready right now to pitch at the MLB level and has a very good changeup. Maybe he sticks as a back end rotation type or maybe he becomes a reliever to max out his effort and get a bit more out of his smallish frame. Perhaps he becomes what K-Rod is now.

I appreciate the want to keep the board civil. I appreciate the ability to have a favorite player. One of my all time favorite Milwaukee Bucks is Ervin "no magic" Johnson. But I'm not putting him in the same category as Cummings, Alcindor, Bridgeman etc. Sometimes condescending leads to clarity. People want to put Go Go in the same category as the greats in MILW. It's just not right in the context used. I love Quevado, winkelesass, spivey, overbay, Branyon and Deer. But just like those guys, Gomez is a tool player. As in he is a "tool" in baseball circles of people that know what real 5 tool players are. Gomez is an athlete that plays baseball. Know any hall of famers that swing out of there helmet regularly? He is a cog and we got what we deserved in a trade. If Gomez is your favorite player since Molitor because he is the best since then, I'm standing by stupid Oh good you're a Molitor fan too!! There was no context other than he's been my favorite Brewer player to watch since Molitor. There was no comparison made. I enjoy watching them for two completely different reasons. Molitor had one of the most pure swings of all time, which also allowed him to stand the test of time and be very good late into his career. As you say, Gomez is an athlete playing baseball. He's one of the very best athletes the Brewers have had since Molitor and that's what I enjoy about him. Yes, sadly I've seen all the teams and players in between too. It's cool, I get it you don't agree. I loved Molitor and Griffey growing up, own a Juan Nieves jersey, and think Gomez is a blast to watch, what can I say. Back to the thread. Yes, good trade for the Brewers.

Yep....he loved being a Brewer.....hope we get a chance to see him again at Miller Park For sure. My favorite player since Molitor. Worth the price of admission to the park. There's not many players I'd say that about. A real nice deal for the Brewers though. Hope to see Gomez playing in the post-season.

If I was a Braves fan I'd be livid.

Not really a good look for the Mets the way things are coming out. I don't really understand the Indians interest at this point and Baltimore seems to me (of the supposedly interested teams) to be the team that can supply the most similar return if that's what the Brewers are interested in.

Somebody will have to explain to me why Flores isn't a shortstop. UZR seems to think he's at least adequate. I'll take the 20 HR upside in an adequate SS. Wheeler I think is being underrated. As soon as he's back he's the Brewer's ace (yes, I know that isn't saying much). TJ is much less of a big deal this days. Still concerning but pitchers come back from it regularly with good success. The deal does fall in line with how DM and Mark A. work however. IMO this was probably the best major league ready talent that was offered. I think the return would've been potentially more (more risk also) had they gone to a package younger prospects. To me it signifies they are not re-building but only trying to re-tool for next year. Not sure how I feel about that. But as far as the return, I think its a fair deal.

I agree it's probably too much but he isn't without risk and Lind isn't just a rental like some other bats might be. Also, maybe with the Cards seeming ability to draft/develop pitching losing him might not be as big of a deal to them as if say he was in the Brewers system. Even if the Brewers need to add to the deal, that's the guy I'd aim for.

I also don't see the point from the Jays perspective. It wouldn't surprise me to see Reyes change hands a second time before the deadline. This type of deal is why you don't place the untouchable tag on anyone.

It's not so much that they NEED to unload everyone but they are a fair bit behind the talent of most of their division. They need to take advantage of the opportunity that is presenting itself. Get those hungry playoff teams to give some young talent. As others have said, I don't want to run the same group out there next season only to get similar results. Now is the time to shake things up a bit.

I would never consider anybody untouchable but Nelson and Peralta would be the two that I'd have to be the most overwhelmed to move.

Yes, without hesitation.

Another disappointing start. I also don't think sending Nelson down will accomplish much. Why do I feel like if he and Wily Peralta were pitching in St. Louis or Atlanta or ??? they'd be classified as two of the best young pitchers in the game. It's frustrating with those two because you see the stuff and (I) wonder what team they'll be on when 'it clicks' for them.

For whatever reason, I'm sure I must have seen it or at least thought it, but when I see those names all listed that's freaking awesome! Even as an opposing fan.... just as a baseball fan that's pretty incredible. If that group stays healthy, (always a big if) that could end up being one of the better rotations in the game over the last decade or two.

Pretty much. No matter what team Braun is traded to (if he's traded), he's going to get a big ovation for his first home at bat. Even St. Louis. I don't see any fan base having a negative reaction to their team acquiring Braun in the middle of the season for a playoff push. I agree. The PR risk is being overstated. The dollar risk associated with the contract that's really the only risk, albeit a very legitimate one. The blogger had one thing correct. He's better than any bat the Mets have right now and would be a big acquisition for them or any other contending team. I think there would be a few teams willing to part with something sizable for his services if he's available. If I'm Doug, I tell them Matz or Wheeler and they take the whole contract (non deferred portion) and we'll call it a deal.

Most I've seen mentioned already but: Nick Neugebauer and Will Inman come to mind. For a pitching starved organization I always get excited for the young arms. I thought those two would be pretty dynamic. Outside the organization I really liked Trevor Cahill when he was coming up with the A's. I badly wanted the Brewers to somehow trade for him.

I'm not sure I agree. There are some things that need to get addressed like an international draft, but I don't think big signings by large market teams are necessarily turning away potential fans. Like it or not the pace of a game is an issue with the way people view baseball. I don't think the actual length is the problem but having the batter step out of the box to walk half way down the base line and having pitchers walk around the mound after each pitch can get to be out of hand at times. I think MLB doesn't do as good of a job marketing as the NFL or the NBA. Pick a person at random, and ask who Clayton Kershaw, Mike Trout or Andrew McCutchen is. I'd guess more than half couldn't tell you. Ask the same person who Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Dez Bryant Lebron James, or Kevin Durant is and I'd guess most could tell you. That's a problem from a marketing standpoint. The NFL has created a marketing giant because of fantasy football. There's some room to grow in that area as well for MLB. Although that's a bit of a slippery slope as I think the NFL has ignored their on the field product so much do to the success of the fake game that if fantasy football had some sort of crack down, ala internet poker, they'd be in a world of hurt. They've really embraced it though so I give them credit for that. I understand wanting a more even economic playing field, however I'm a bit reserved there as well as any sort of salary cap would likely bring a salary floor with it. You can pretty much throw the intrigue of rebuilding a franchise away at that point.