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There really isn't anything to suggest that Braun wasn't that bad in 2007. Endaround is stating something as if it is a fact. That Braun was the worst 3B ever in the major leagues. Nobody is arguing that he wasn't really bad in 2007. Those are two different things. I had looked at this before, when ESPN used to have ZR data for previous years, and I found one player who had a ZR inferior to Braun's 2007. I believe it was a Cleveland 3B, maybe Travis Fryman.
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So your whole argument about his training doesn't hold up if he was only using them in Texas. Are you able to look at every player that tested positive for steroids and tell exactly when they used and when they didn't? Prince Fielder's HR totals the last 3 years are 28, 50, and 34. Did he use steroids when he hit 50? Alex had an OPS+ of 160 as a 20 year old, and then it wasn't above 136 until he went to Texas. Did he use steroids as a 20 year old and then didn't use them for 3 years? I dont' see how you can look at Alex's stats and be confident that you know when he was using and when he wasn't.
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I know you're fond of these hyperbolic statements, but what measure are you using to make this statement?
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Knock it off already? I'm not sure that's adding to the conversation. This isn't a quibble over semantics. These are real differences that are being discussed.
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If he used them he got some sort of benefit from them. If he got some sort of benefit it really is irrelevant that he didn't get maximum benefit from it does it? I think you need to review the points that have been addressed. As conversations continue, they can stray from what was originally discussed. You wrote "A-Rod supposedly took steroids but didn't boost his performance accordingly? Just doesn't add up. " That is what I orginally addressed. Alex didn't have the same professional level of training and a lab behind him as Bonds did. Therefore it's not surprising that Alex's performance didn't increase "accordingly". I never actually said that Alex didn't benefit from steroids.
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However, even if I grant that other teams did want him and that he was one of the top free agents (which I don't believe), 1 relatively big signing in 20 years doesn't really refute my point that top free agents aren't how this team is built or will ever be built. People are refuting what you wrote, which is that the Brewers wouldn't be able to get "good" free agents, not that they could get the top free agents. My recollection is that the Mets planned on bidding for Suppan, but the Brewers inked him before the Mets made an offer. And it was the Mets that pretty much started the paying of mediocre FA SP a high salary with Kris Benson.
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The whole point is you seemed to insinuate he could somehow get hold of steroids without anyone knowing (which pretty much means he had to make them BTW). You would be better off if you actually read what I wrote, rather than looking for insinuations. I wrote "It's understandable that he might be concerned about privacy and not want to reach out and put himself in danger of getting exposed." Alex has somebody who can do stuff for him that he trusts. If he was taking them to improve his performance and managed to find some it is hard to believe he somehow couldn't get the ancillary information to get the most out of using them. Perhaps from the same source as he got the actual product from. Why is that hard to believe? People wouldn't pay for personal trainers if they could just read a page of how to work out and get the maximum benefit. To get the most out of a steroid, a player would need to work with someone that knew the athletes body, knew what the steroid was supposed to do, and implement a program that aimed to give maximum performance to the athlete. Steroids are a controlled substance for a reason. They should be administered by someone who understands the doses properly, can prescribe a regimen, and will follow the patient to make sure that everything is working correctly. Where did I ever say he got them from a stranger? You didn't. You didn't understand what I wrote, and so I clarified what I wrote. I wrote that Alex wanted to limit his exposure. You read that and thought I wrote that Alex didn't want "anybody" to know that he had steroids.
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Or are you suggesting he made them in his bedroom lab on his own? Please show me anywhere that I made such a reference. That is just an insulting sentence with no basis and no value. Those seem to be the only two ways he could have done so without anyone knowing he had them. Actually, the other way that he could get them without a stranger knowing that he had them is that he had his cousin buy them. He presumably has undeniable trust in his cousin. Unfortunately, his cousin doesn't happen to be an atheltic trainer.
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It would be nice if the starting pitcher went 7 more often
kramnoj replied to mls4's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
The post you are quoting is from April 24th. That game occurred April 29th. -
Is it time to send Nelson to AAA for some AB's
kramnoj replied to fondybrewfan's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
I didnt really like the fans that booed Nelson after his last AB today. Yes, the guy is struggling, but the Brewers were winning 3-0 at the time. -
It is no secret Prince has to go soon. This is stated far too definitively. The Brewers can afford to keep Prince through 2011 if they want to. I always think long term and make things sustainable over time. Obviously some like to think short term. The Brewers have to do both at the same time. The trade not only benefitted the 2008 Brewers, it benefitted the 2009 Brewers in terms of early tickets sold. Maybe it helped them re-negotiate a deal with FSN. Who knows how much fandom it engendered or strengthened for the short, mid, and long term. Strictly speaking of player value, the Brewers should have not traded for CC and then they should have traded Sheets and Cameron and Torres away before July 31st. They would definitely have more talent right now if they had done that. But the Brewers franchise would be worse off. Edited for clarity.
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KegStand81, you bring up good points. Things that LaPorta probably thought of as he got settled in his new destination and was having a cold one with his new teammates. But how did he feel when there were rumors that he would be traded that went on for days, and when he finally found out? Did someone from the Brewers take time to talk with him, prepare him for the things he would need to do once he was traded? Does anyone know what happens when a player gets traded in the minors? Does one of the teams pick up his moving expenses, and help him make arrangements to pack up, clean his apartment, move his stuff, find a new apartment, move in, etc? If I found out that I was traded and had to report to a new place in a timely manner, all those things would be going through my mind. I think it's understandable that LaPorta might have been slightly distracted as he was preparing to go to a new place.
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That was a fun game to be at. Most of the people in my section stood up as soon as the 8th inning ended and didn't sit down again. Definitely a vibe that I haven't felt since Cordero was here.
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Treated like a piece of property? Because he was traded? That's a pretty cynical view of life Actually, that's the literal definition of his value to the Brewers. He was the property of the Brewers. He became the property of the Indians. How is that cynical? Ignore the first hand reports and Buck Rogers if you wish, the evidence is right there in front of you for objective analysis. I'm not going to try to convince anyone because people are going to believe what they want to believe, moon landings or otherwise, it's all pretty much the same. I'm not ignoring it. If I was ignoring it, I wouldn't be questioning it. I'm asking for verification. You said he "literally" said it. The only way to know that is if we have verification of it. We have the telling of a story. That's not "literal". By me asking for further evidence, I'm trying to be objective. One person's telling of a story isn't objective, it is subjective. As far as comparing this to moon landings, there is no basis for that. They are in no way comparable.
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LaPorta literally said, "What's in it for me?". How long does it take to sign 2 jerseys for charity? The guy was just treated like property. Why would he believe the clubhouse manager? The guy could have wanted to have the stuff signed so he could sell it himself. BTW, do we really know that LaPorta "literally" said this? Is this on tape somewhere? Or is this what someone is saying that he said?
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I think we need some perspective on this whole refuse to sign issue. Did he find out he was traded and as he was packing his stuff to leave, he has some stuff shoved in his face and it is assumed that he will sign it? I think it's a little understandable that he wasn't feeling charitable as he was leaving.
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I would also assume a player who says he was doing steroids as a professional ballplayer because he felt he needed to perform to the level of his contract was in fact doing all the things he needed to in order to get maximum effect from his steroid use. Why would you assume that? How does a player do this? Does he go to the local Golds Gym and say "Hi, I'm Alex Rodriguez and I want to know how to use these steroids to make me better"? Alex was using a controlled substance. It's understandable that he might be concerned about privacy and not want to reach out and put himself in danger of getting exposed. Bonds trusted his friend, a trust that hasn't yet been broken despite jail time. Maybe Alex didn't happen to have a childhood friend that happened to be a fitness expert tied to a chemical lab that he trusted so completely.
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Weeks was going to be in the minors longer than that but Graffanino tore up his knee right after they sent Weeks down. This provides some perspective, but I'm not sure of the relevance of it. There is a suggestion that sending down Hardy to work on his swing will be beneficial, and then Weeks stay was provided as evidence that it could happen. Weeks was dominant in his 6 game appearance, a 1.253 OPS. I don't know that 6 games of beating up minor leaguers was the solution. If it was, then anytime a player struggles they should just send the guy down for a week.
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Well, they did it with Weeks last year. Weeks was last in the minors in 2007, and had a total of 6 games there. Is it likely that he rediscovered his swing in 6 games? Or is it just as likely that the shock of being sent in the minors, or just regression to the mean, was more likely for his improvement after that?
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I may have missed this, but does Corporan have experience catching Parra or Gallardo in the minors? Just wondering if that would be a factor on when/if he gets a start. Just glancing at b-ref, it looks like Carlos and Parra were at the same teams in the same years sometimes, but I don't know how many games they were at the same level. It looks like Carlos and Yo were in WV for all of 2005 and maybe parts of 2006 and 2007.
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Hardy was certainly awful last April, but didn't he get sick in ST last year and lose 10 pounds? I think that it took him a bit to catch up from that.
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Maximum is one thing no discernible difference is quite another. Why is that so hard to believe? There have been plenty of baseball players who have tested positive for steroid use without us being able to see where the performance difference is. It's in the article, so it's being reported. That's one vicious circle. When anonymous sources say that Alex used, without any actual proof or eyewitness testimony, that falls in my definition of allegation. Others may not feel the same way.
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A-Rod supposedly took steroids but didn't boost his performance accordingly? Just doesn't add up. Steroids aren't a magic pill. They won't have the same effect on everybody. Bonds was using a lab and a trainer that was working with the lab to get the best results. For Alex, we don't have a very good idea of how he used it, but it sounds like he had his cousin get some stuff from some random dealer. I don't find it that hard to believe that Alex wasn't getting maximum performance from whatever he was doing.
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The worst allegation in the article hasn't been mentioned yet: "In one shocking disclosure, the book accuses A-Rod of "pitch tipping" when he was with the Rangers - letting a friendly opponent at the plate know which pitch was coming in lopsided games. Rodriguez expected players he helped would do the same for him when he was having an off night and needed to get his batting average up and it wouldn't affect the outcome of the game."
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The title of this thread doesn't match the article. Alex didn't "reportedly" use in high school. Canseco speculated.