OldSchoolSnapper

I think Gute is safe. Much easier to rationalize him. Yes there have been some bad picks, but there have been some good ones, and I think he would be firmly in the 10-15 range of drafting if you compared him to peers. He's hit in FA most of the time, unfortunately for him the whiffs were last off-season. MLF feels like much shakier ground. He's been there a while now. Coaching is more volatile than FO. I personally hope they move on, but another year won't shock me and I think they can rationalize it with all the injuries. I just think his voice, scheme, etc. has gone stale.

Yeah. Ridder is probably a more serious candidate. They didn't take any part of this game seriously.

I think it is a near lock the Packers are Sunday afternoon with either opponent.

Yeah but there's no way that'll be the Packers against either team. That and Saturday afternoon will be the two stinker matchups.

Not sure I agree. GB is a much larger national viewership audience than Buffalo. GB/CHI has to be the network's #1. Not sure NE carries the same weight without Brady, but I think that would be the #2. Going from recent memory, they tend to put the AFC on Saturday anyway. I am assuming the Packers are definitely playing Sunday, either at 330 or the night game depending on whether or not it's the Eagles or Bears. They may even play the Bears at 330. I think I remember reading that is their ratings money spot.

Safe to assume Packers/Bears would be a virtual lock for Sunday night?

I mean why would you not start Tune? Audition the backup job which is open this off-season. Neither Willis or Love gets hurt, both of whom you may need the following week. The season is a dead end most likely anyway, but it was well before they started Tune in a meaningless game.

Melton is probably a locker room guy that everybody loves and they tried to invent a way to lie to themselves to keep him on the team. They know he can't play WR and now they know he can't play CB so the jig is probably up this off-season.

Yeah, accurate. Arguably the worst set of CBs in the league even when fully healthy. But Dallas waited for him to be healthy enough to throw him in a game, he apparently didn't play very hard, then they cut him to avoid an injury settlement and save a bunch of cap for next season. He's an upgrade if he wants to play, is he likely to make a big difference? Probably not.

He's awful. Probably not any worse than what we have on the team. This just happens any time someone's cut at a position of need and it's a name someone's heard of. He's firmly mediocre and has been injury riddled for some time now.

The Bears could absolutely win the NFC. It's just that kind of year. And I think Philadelphia has rallied at just the right time.

I don't think they're winning any games but I can at least entertain things going their way in Chicago without dumb fumbles etc. I think SF or Seattle will absolutely demolish them. SF might run for 300 yards.

I mean their defense IS bad. They are a pummeling OL team that doesn't turn the ball over. Their defense forces turnovers but gets eaten up pretty well. Just not a believer that falling ass backwards into the playoffs to travel is going to end well.

NFL has always been about trend of play. They're more hurt than they were even two weeks ago, Chicago is peaking offensively, and I think many of them have mailed it in as well, even if subconsciously. I wouldn't take any wager on the Packers with a 7 point spread in Chicago at this point, personally.

The Patriots are back with the NFL's elite, another club that really cuts the "entitled fan base" trope down another peg. The New England, Philadelphia, Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, (yes, they too have sustained deep playoff runs better than we have) pattern is what we should hold as a standard, not contentedness because we are treading better than Cleveland. That's a solid handful+ of teams that have withstood transformative periods with better results than we have. It's completely fair to ask why we can't do it without being "entitled fans."

I've heard this before and it never ends up sticking. Maybe if they actually do it twice consecutively I'll change my tune. They can have fun with a 1st place schedule and winning 8 games by 2 points or whatever.

The Packers aren't going to win a playoff game. They are by far the worst team in the field right now, they are a shell of their real roster. They're in a far worse spot than even last year's Wild Card. Their game could be very, very ugly whether it's Philadelphia or Chicago. I can't see them beating either one. It's a formality and likely every opposing fan base and coach wants that matchup.

Yeah I hope I'm wrong because Willis is a great story, but this is kinda exactly how I see his future playing out. QB play is bad, he is going to cash out, but this has happened so many times in history where a guy is good as a back up and then finds that success impossible to replicate elsewhere. He's excelled at every test in GB, but like I said last night, he has not played a single good defense in any of these games, and in several of the games that laughably had people calling for Love to benched, he threw like 8 passes for 60 yards. I am rooting for the guy, though.

Gee, where would anybody get the wild idea you're disgruntled?

You love taking things completely out of context and then making totally disingenuous arguments around them. Since you're incapable of posting without ad hominem, I'll play your game. I'm not acting like you are a disgruntled fan, you are one. You're a toddler throwing a tantrum because the season didn't pan out the way you hoped. "They suck. Everyone sucks. Where's my nuk?!" You're like the first person in the history of this forum that has tried to pretend I'm some kind of Positive Pete. I posted a link to a third party that ranks him 12th in efficiency as his position. Your retort was "just stop." Lol. Again, when healthy, which he has been unable to be pretty much ever, Watson is an elite WR. The fact that he puts up the numbers he does despite basically never playing should tell you that. He skipped half a season and has a chance to lead the team in yards. More importantly though, when he doesn't play their offense becomes VASTLY worse. But you're too busy welling up in crybaby tears constantly to see anything.

Lmao. He left on the play the interception happened. Just stop, guy. Surely you are happy enough with the boatload of money you made betting on the Packers to finish exactly where they did. Do it again next year and maybe you'll 10x! You're an angry season seat holder. I get it. It's odd though, I can't find a single post of yours predicting this outcome before the season. https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/christian-watson/66581 I hate PFF, but he's currently #12. His biggest problem is health and lack of volume caused by health. I don't really think there's significant talent separation between Watson and any of those guys, as it stand today. The pedigree is the difference, but Watson has been incapable of staying healthy. Most of those guys had pretty poor seasons by their standards. Watson has to play 14 games or so and do it for a full year, but I don't think swapping him out with St. Brown next year would really solve any problems for the Packers. DJ Moore? Addison? I absolutely want Watson instead. Bears fans wanted Moore cut 2 weeks ago and Addison is basically a Doubs swap out. I would take the 6'5 guy that runs like he's 5'11 every day of the week.

Finely 2009 Wild Card was one of best performances by a pass catcher in Packers history.

There were grounds to be tired of him prior to the Denver game. Too many situational losses that he had a significant hand in with a coaching decision. It would also be Year 8. Three straight 7 seeds does not necessitate Year 8. He's had his chance, with teams better than this one, and hasn't come through. This year's team also seems to have mailed it in after the Bears debacle. Purely speculative, but I believe Policy has a vision and it doesn't involve a guy hired 6 years before he took over. In no way does this guarantee better results, but I do think it's time.

Biggest things that went wrong this year outside of injuries: They've been absolutely terrible at stealing the ball - horrendous at it. The pass rush they had prior to the Parsons injury should have helped, but we dropped it when we could have had it, and teams eventually started quick-hitting us to death. That was our kryptonite. If you could beat the coverage in 2 seconds, which you can, you could score on us. The Bears sit +21 in differential. The Packers are at 0. And that is with the Packers being 5th best in giveaways. One of the silver linings of this year is that Love got much better taking care of the ball. He had one awful turnover in Cleveland, but for the most part he was wise with his prayer balls that happened to get picked off. When teams did get into the red zone, they scored TDs among the best rates in the NFL. Consistency on offense, which typically is held together by strong OL play that they did not have. In 4 of 6 losses, they Packers averaged 11.5 points. What makes those losses even worse, the margin of defeat was 3.75. You can have one game like that, maybe two, but certainly not 4 when you're offensive guru coach paying a QB what we are. That's awful. You're paying that kind of money specifically to win those games.

I did watch the Denver game. It was a 9-pt lead with possession when Watson left, relax your Parsons obsession. They had just rattled off a 40-yard run for their last score. Perhaps if they just keep running, none of these catastrophic injuries ever take place, who knows. They were going to beat Denver and were scorching them offensively until Watson and Tom were injured. Those were bigger injuries than Parsons in that specific game based on how the offense and defense were playing. I believe they still beat them without Parsons if those two never get hurt, but whatever. Don't agree at all that they don't have a WR who is any good, they have Watson, who is a top 10 WR in the league if he stops getting hurt, which he seems to have gotten under control since rehabbing soft tissue problems. His ACL was a freak thing. He is probably going to finish with around 700 yards despite starting the season in late October. Just nonsense to say the guy isn't any good. Anyone with eyes can see he's good. I can say they're a contender because they were by definition, "contending" with every one of those teams. Say what you want about "playoff teams" but the HUGE difference between last year and this year is that the Packers actually competed against playoff teams, not like last year when they'd be down by 20 at half against anybody decent. In that "2-4" straw man is the second loss against the Bears, a 10-7 loss to the Eagles and a loss in Denver they were dominating until their season unraveled. It's very easily 4-2 or 5-1. There was no explaining away their losses last year, they got embarrassed. The biggest problem with your arguments is that by your standards, nobody is really any good. Every team in the league this year has some stretch that makes them look bad. All these teams are bad somewhere. No argument that the Packers secondary is bad, it is. But it is so obviously clear as day that the season went off the rails after the injuries in Denver, and the ones prior to that just magnified. A guy who was out of the league is our leading TE now. Our two best DL are on IR. Jacobs is pretending he isn't hurt. Our best OL is hurt. We had 43 active players at a point last night. Nobody can overcome that. I get being upset because this season has absolutely come unglued and sucks. I just think "they suck! and they're doodoo heads 😭" routine is ridiculous. Half of what you say has merit, the other half just reads like a tantrum.