OldSchoolSnapper

Dreadful drive by the defense. Bailed out by that fumble.

Even not being disingenuous, 8 plays 26 yards is a perfect example of what's wrong here.

And that was pretty much the exact issue with the Packers offense exemplified on that drive.

Actual Packer offense: middling in actual scoring, which is what counts, and 23 points combined in losses to Carolina and Cleveland. EPA actually pinpoints exactly how much MLF sucks. They move the ball just fine, but don't score. Not really the glowing measure you think it is.

The only silver lining of Kraft getting hurt is that if MLF is forced to stop running 1995-2015 Wisconsin Badgers offense, but I don't know if I have that much confidence in him.

I think they'll play well and win. Seems to be the theme of the season. Play to the level of the opponent. Philly's defense is bad. I think Love will play well. I could see it going sideways with Saquon humiliating us, but I think the home field will be enough.

The Kraft injury takes a lot out of the sails for me this season. I don't have really high hopes and I've lost faith in MLF and losing your best skill player on offense is rough. I think they can probably muster this game out but this schedule is brutal from Thanksgiving on. Best hope is they get HFA and the Parsons effect becomes bigger when the weather turns and their rush takes over games. They look soft in the middle on both sides of the ball and that is not good for playoff football. If they can pull off Packer magic and gel the OL before January that changes things. But my good feeling right now is "more of the same". 1st or 2nd round exit.

I mean, that is sort of exactly what I envisioned happening here. The QO will at least make him have to think about staying/make another team really pay up and commit. It's a smart move by the Brewers imo, no long-term consequence if he accepts, and at least makes someone else take a real risk. Someone will have to offer him $23/1 to get him to go, or commit years. Maybe they are planning to trade Peralta and want the stability? Who knows, Either way I think they thought it through and are happy to eat the $22m for a year if he takes it.

That's literally my point. He is getting the $10 million regardless. So the question to ask is not if he's worth a $32 million contract next year. I very clearly said it isn't $10m or $22m. The $10m is a sunk cost. Point is if they offer him $10 and $12 he quite possibly goes some place else and we are still paying the $10.

If he accepts for $22,000 that's incredible. That said I agree. The offers shows we are going to try and do something next year, IMO.

It isn't a question of $32 million. The question to ask yourself is would you rather pay $22 million for Woodruff to pitch for the Brewers or $10 million for him to pitch for someone else. They likely made the QO for that exact reason. $10 million for a guy to play somewhere else is just an awful use of resources for the Brewers. And it doesn't screw them over long term. It is an easy question for me because they won't get a better SP to sign for one year and $22 million. Hypothetically if they did, it would still be at a cost of $32 million as they'd still pay Woodruff.

Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy have almost identical records as HCs. 178-107 and 174-112-2. 9-9 and 11-11 in the playoffs, respectively. One Super Bowl, most of their success on the back of a HOF QB. Payton has this reputation for being a genius that just wins and McCarthy is an out-of-work dope. Never has made any sense to me. They are the same guy.

BrewerFanatic.com projects 1/$5m...

How many times in the last 30 years have the Packers been an underdog of more than a touchdown? I would think that is a very small number. Literally never outside of a couple very poor seasons where they were using a backup QB, or 2005 with Favre.

Hopefully Joey Ortiz is "transferred" to somewhere else.

This seems headed toward Josh Sitton territory where he is just cut because the whole league knows he wants out and the Packers want to get rid of him. The way he's played I don't think you're getting anything better than a 6th, and and that's if a team is willing to take his number on. Which they don't have to do if they just wait for him to be cut.

Love has a QB rating of 108 and is 6th in QBR this season playing most of it without Watson and Reed, and an interior OL that is hurt, sucks or possibly both. He has turned the ball over 3 times. His accuracy is up drastically this season (eclipsing 70%) and he has a career high in YPA. He has however almost been sacked as many times as he was all of last season already. He is, pretty objectively, having his best season. I don't really understand the slander he's been taking, I guess because he's not Josh Allen or something. I think he is plenty good enough to be a championship QB, but this team is, IMO, bottom 1/3 of the league on both sides of its line. They also do not force turnovers hardly ever. Defensively they are still kind of disappointing, but it's not because of Parsons not playing well. Banks and Hobbs were terrible additions, Jenkins is not working at center. Eight weeks in, when you think about it, nothing should be all that surprising. There was a chorus right before the Parsons trade (myself included) that felt they were the same good but not great team they were last year. Parsons really inflated their hype a bit, but they do kinda look like the same level of team of the past 2 years. Philadelphia will be a good litmus test. The difference between this year and last thus far has been that last year, they beat everyone they should have, but couldn't beat anyone good. This year they haven't really been tested outside of Week 1, which, eh, Week 1, and I guess Pittsburgh is decent. I am invested in what kind of effort we get this weekend. They have looked right about the 5-3 team they are lucky not to be. If they play well and win, it should emphasize that the NFC is up for grabs and they are a contender.

MLF is going to be fired this offseason. That is my prediction. They will underachieve again, win 10 or so games, lose early in the playoffs and the brass will have seen enough. Not the results they are looking for after trading away first round draft picks.

Don't worry. Rich Bisaccia is going to help with the clock management.

Love has 3 picks through 8 games. Before someone says he should have 6 but they were dropped - that is the case for every QB in the league. Love is fine. He is having a very good season. He has cut way back on exactly the kind of thing you are pointing out. Not every QB we have is going to be Rodgers. He is way down the list of things stopping this team from elevating right now.

Sounds like we have seen the last of Kraft. Don't think this offense is good enough to overcome a blow like that.

We did one worse. They were afraid to throw so we let them rattle off a 20+ run in a 2-minute drill when everyone knew they were going do it. And despite that, this offense should be scoring 16+ points. Matt sucks though. I've seen him spearhead too many choke jobs to count.

A well-earned result for the Packers.

2TD favorite going to drop a game to Carolina at home in which the opposing QB threw for 100 yards and you put up 13 pts. Matt needs to go. Can't keep letting his pretty records deceive. This team continues to underperform.

There's too much time left. You consider it if the game is ending, but they will be trying to kick a FG either way. If they are down by 1, they're in 4 down territory. They'll punt in an unfavorable down and distance if it's tied.