OldSchoolSnapper

Disassociating himself from the "hatred and bigotry" is when the two black teammates also in the ASG come out immediately and dismiss it as stupid teenage behavior and reiterate that he's a good guy. When that comes from two guys who are around him daily for a year, that's good enough for me, I don't need MLB to suspend him for branding purposes disguised as a lame attempt to teach him some kind of lesson he very likely doesn't need to learn. Right or wrong, Hader will go through hell for this. He'll be booed the rest of the season at every stop, at a minimum. The formality of a suspension won't do anything to placate the people who've already decided to hate him for the rest of his career. He'll return afterwards and give the prepared speech the Brewers PR staff has written for him. It's all so inauthentic and pointless. I don't view Hader as any kind of victim, but this crap is never about ending racism/misogyny/whatever. It's about destroying people, standing on a pedestal and enjoying a good witch hunt because some people have nothing better to do.

Yuli Gurriel was suspended 5 games for slanting his eyes while he mocked Yu Darvish, during the World Series. To put this on that level is totally inconsistent. Again, they can't suspend him. That sets an impossible precedent and won't stand with the union. MLB will be overrun with fans digging up ancient Tweets. Suspend him for this and you've got a giant blurry line over what you can suspend a player for. A suspension for a Tweet when he was 17? Seriously?

As numerous stories about high school and college teams screaming rap lyrics have shown us, no, not really. You can't put context to these kinds of stories, the Twitter pitchforks will toss it aside promptly.

Hader's high school is nearly 50/50 black and white. It seems highly unlikely to me that you could last in a school like that espousing views like that seriously on social media. As an athlete no less. It read to me like a stream of consciousness from a bored, dumb kid. A kid who, at the time, heard that red button word tossed around the hallways like it was nothing. And now, 7 years later, we're putting it in a vacuum and evaluating his character. I have a lot of trouble taking that seriously.

I agree. I think most real people do. Twitter isn't comprised of real people and it is the loudest when reading the news. The only thing is, if something else comes up that's more recent, he is cooked.

It's easy for me to see how the Tweets slipped through the cracks. He was traded twice before making it to the majors. From Baltimore first, not a club known for its smooth operations. He's in Houston for a bit, then traded to Milwaukee. After being with two teams and never hearing anything negative, the Brewers assumed too much/had no reason to think differently. Twitter wasn't what it is now back in 2011. Those Tweets never see the light of day if it's a guy drafted this year. Any agent would have snuffed that out.

I wouldn't go as far as to call it a non-story. He should have known better and now has to answer for his sloppiness. It was remarkably easy for him to avoid this. It really, to me, just proves he's not very smart. But the Twitter-verse acting as though he's a card-carrying member of the KKK? Yeah, that's the part about it I despise.

Yeah, this is pretty salient to me. You can't call it out because then you're "defending" Hader or whoever said them. But it's a totally valid point. The people leading these crusades are not out for behavior correction or anything noble. They want people to burn. Most of the time they won't accept any apology, any course of corrective behavior and want no part of redemption. They want blood. It's all over the Internet and has permeated our culture today.

That one seems to be fake, according to a number of twitter users. Of course. How perfect.

There is also a discussion about this in the All-Star game thread from last night. I mentioned that when Jarred Kelenic from Waukesha was drafted last month his twitter account was shut down right around the time he was drafted. I assumed it was for "clean up" purposes. Yep, the funny thing about that is, when he was drafted I looked him up on Twitter. I found a couple things that I thought were questionable. I can't recall what they were, but it took me about 10 second to find them and I thought, wow, this kid really seems to have a good head on his shoulders, I can't believe someone hasn't talked to him about this.

I hate this crap. The words are ugly, but the digging up old Tweets is probably my least favorite thing of all that silly nonsense on the Internet and I felt this way long before this happened. I glanced at Hader's stuff and it is the product of a kid who is, let's be honest, not the brightest guy, spouting off to get a reaction/quoting pop culture. Stuff that lots of teenagers do. The other 50% of it was rap lyrics and meme references that most people don't get. Then there's the Trayvon Martin reference from 2016, which, while not a good look, doesn't really fall under the umbrella of the rest of the Tweets, and frankly reflects a sentiment that a lot of people share. I'm not agreeing with it, just saying, that opinion is one I've seen and heard about a thousand times. Lorenzo Cain and Jeremy Jeffress, who've spent time with the guy daily for a year, come out and vouch for the 24-year-old version of Hader immediately, but the 20-year-old Twitter warriors know this guy better than they do. Up next will be hot take articles about how Cain and Jeffress let the black community down by not burning Hader at the stakes immediately. Now, I've seen comparisons to John Rocker (not just the one above). If people can't really separate these two things, I don't know where we go from there. John Rocker gave an in-depth profile to a journalist about why he hated diversity and certain groups of people. We're equating that with this? Really? This is such low-hanging fruit. I'm just exhausted of it. Harmful racism in today's society is thinly veiled, stuff like denied housing applications and employment discrimination. Not teenager Tweets that nobody reasonable takes seriously. This is today's culture; someone in a basement scrolling through Twitter for dirt to put a black mark on what's supposed to be a fun night for everybody. And that's not to make Josh Hader a victim here. I just really loathe the total absence of context in our culture today.

I've said my piece on this, but why any athlete with professional aspirations is even on the circus that is social media is alarming to me. A couple of guys from my high school made it to the NFL and MLB, and all of their pages were shut down prior to the drafts.

His name was attached to it in 2011. There's no way they can do anything beyond saying he's taking sensitivity training or some race course. Suspending or anything like that isn't reasonable. He said stuff when he was 17. The precedent that sets will never get beyond the players union. Next week a Cubs fan will find out Travis Shaw got an underage drinking ticket when he was 19 and push for a suspension. There is no discernible line one can draw once you start going 7 years back on someone's social media page. Who's deciding what past offenses are punishable? And how far back are we allowed to dig? It's a whole can of worms and I just can't see how they can go down that road.

Leaving the posts up is not a reflection of who he is or how he thinks. That's laughable. I'm sure there's something on my Facebook from 2007 that I have no recollection of posting and would make me cringe.

MLB has to act? I find that comical. That will set quite a precedent. Get ready for fans of opposing teams digging up 7-year-old Tweets. I hate this crap. The words are ugly, but the digging up old Tweets is probably my least favorite thing of all that silly nonsense on the Internet and I felt this way long before this happened. I glanced at Hader's stuff and it is the product of a kid who is, let's be honest, not the brightest guy, spouting off to get a reaction/quoting pop culture. Stuff that lots of teenagers do. The other 50% of it was rap lyrics and meme references that most people don't get. Then there's the Trayvon Martin reference from 2016, which, while not a good look, doesn't really fall under the umbrella of the rest of the Tweets, and frankly reflects a sentiment that a lot of people share. I'm not agreeing with it, just saying, that opinion is one I've seen and heard about a thousand times. Lorenzo Cain and Jeremy Jeffress, who've spent time with the guy daily for a year, come out and vouch for the 24-year-old version of Hader immediately, but the 20-year-old Twitter warriors know this guy better than they do. Up next will be hot take articles about how Cain and Jeffress let the black community down by not burning Hader at the stakes immediately. This is such low-hanging fruit. I'm just exhausted of it. Harmful racism in today's society is thinly veiled, stuff like denied housing applications and employment discrimination. Not teenager Tweets that nobody reasonable takes seriously. This is today's culture; someone in a basement scrolling through Twitter for dirt to put a black mark on what's supposed to be a fun night for everybody.

I think we'll upgrade the roster with a far less sexy name. I don't know where. 2B, C would be my guesses.

And Kansas City took our prospects and went to the World Series twice.

Melvin would have gotten him and given up Peralta and Burnes to do it. Then he would have offered him $120mm this offseason only to see someone else offer $200mm and say we gave it our best shot. We'd then win 70 games for four years.

Attanasio is still afraid to ask for Ryan Braun's autograph, so I don't think we have to worry about him giving orders.

This will go down as one of the best moves Stearns never made. This team is not quite championship quality yet. A Machado rental doesn't close that gap. Come October, we would most likely be: -Watching the Cubs play -Wondering who will give Manny $200mm -Wondering how the prospects we gave up could help us close the gap in 2019 The problem never was that Manny isn't a great player. It's that he was the diving board and we haven't built the pool yet.

Just stop.

Safe to say this is over, I think. LAD got him.

Anyone break down that Moss-Wilde thing for me? Packers.com appears to have cut off the video 9 seconds in. I have no clue what happened but really want to know.

The Bears aren't close because they stink. They go 12-4 and Minnesota busts, you will hate the Bears again.

I think we end up with a new SS by Friday and it won't be Machado. Just my gut instinct at this point.