jerichoholicninja

Remember that nobody is forcing anybody to play. If any individual thinks it's not worth it they opt out and go do their thing where they think that are safer. Obviously, they don't get paid then, but that's life. I understand this, certainly. This is a voluntary thing. What really bugs me is MLB's insistence that the protocols are fine. It's their attempts to blame players (which is different than when teams themselves do it, ala the Plesac situation). It's Manfred saying he'll scrap the season if an outbreak renders a team basically depleted and then watching two teams get depleted and sitting on his hands. It's not setting red-lines. It's clear that MLB just decided to play no matter what, and that's okay, but then just say it! Say, "we're going to play, and players are free to opt out if they think the risk is too high." But they don't want to do that because it sounds crass. And they don't want the PR backlash. They want to posture like they care and then play anyway, and all I'm saying is you can't have it both ways. Look, I get it. I like having baseball too. But the basic dishonesty of MLB is really bothersome. For the life of me, I just don't understand why organizations insist that they're doing such a great job and are creating such wonderful protocols rather than owning up to what's actually happening, which is that the risk is fairly well known, and they think the money's worth it. Just say it out loud: "We want our money, and we'll take the risk of positive cases to get it." If this were an honest deal from the beginning, fine. But MLB has clearly been trying to play the PR-game when it was obvious from the beginning that this was just very likely going to result in a lot of postponements and a significant number of positive tests. Pretending the plan was anything else is the very definition of spin. That's the players' stance too. If they were really concerned about COVID they would have flatly refused to play. They refused the bubble and it seems like the COVID cases so far have been from the players' own stupidity or ignoring rules.

You need to put the political coefficient into the equation. Ahhhh... but that is for a different board You're right though. November will decide the COVID situation, whether by perception or reality. And I'll let everyone interpret that how they want. As for sports, the virus isn't just going to completely disappear in a couple months. Putting athletes in constant close physical contact with each other just isn't going to be happening anytime soon.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mom-6-kicked-flight-children-after-2-year-old-would-n1237471 This is clearly not a case of someone refusing to wear a mask. She and her 5 other children were all wearing masks. If you watch the video the 2 year old would take the mask off every time she tried to put it on. I mean what exactly are you supposed to do? Even the passengers were supporting the mom. To expect a 2 year old to wear a mask is ridiculous. Back in spring we tried to get our 4 year old to wear a mask when we went somewhere. My wife made a big deal about cool he would look and he was really excited until we got to where we were going and he freaked out as soon as the mask was on him so we didn't make him wear it.

What I find interesting is the Rangers and Padres managers are both "younger" more analytical guys and both were upset about it. It's not like Dusty Baker or Tony LaRussa throwing a fit about this.

Anyone who thinks the COVID situation is going to drastically change for the better in the next few months is kidding themselves. Any sports (high school, college, pro) cancelled for fall are going to be cancelled in winter or spring for the same reason.

I think the fact this his manager and teammates basically forced him to publicly apologize is somehow worse than the Rangers reactions.

Perhaps not the best post to quote but somewhat on the topic I'm going. I've surprisingly found it hard to kind of 'get back into it' since this started up again. Perhaps stemming from what you're saying or maybe just having gotten accustomed to not having my days somewhat centered around sporting events, idk. For example, I listened to much of the Friday night game while driving and it was good to hear Bob. Bt then I got home and there was other baseball on, you'd think after no sports for 4 months I'd be into it. I ended up flipping between Chappelles show and Rambo 1 instead. And as this week has gone on I've been still a bit with the 'whatever' attitude to the games. Maybe because MKE has been kind of blah so far but I've not been easy to get into and bored with the games, messing around on my phone. I have a feeling NBA will get move back into sports again though. we'll see Same here. I watched about half of opening day and haven't watched any since. I guess I just got used to not watching it so I'm not really in the habit of turning it on. Not that I really have the time either.

He deserves a lifetime ban for doing the teenage girl duck face like it's 2010 or something. Teams were warned before the season not to take things into their own hands against the Astros. Whoever the first person to do it was should be punished severely to stop it from continuing. How MLB handled the Astros in the offseason is a completely different topic.

The NBA has had a few players inside their bubble test positive.

This goes to what I posted in the COVID thread. People only care about being careful to the point that it interferes with their own life. Plenty of players stated in the past few months that they were concerned for their safety. Now that games are going on the vast majority don't seem to care at all. How many PSA's did the Brewers do about wearing masks the last couple weeks? It looks like the whole coaching staff is wearing masks but no player in the dugout is, at least not in any correct or effective manner.

FC Washington. But seriously, they don't play in Washington State, Washington DC, or even Washington County.

So two things happened in my life this weekend: 1. My wife's extended family's annual camping trip. There is usually 30-40 that go but this year ended up being about 15 as most of the older ones weren't comfortable so their kids and grandkids backed out too. Of the people that were there the general feeling was one of concern and "taking this seriously". Yet, they all chose to unnecessarily travel and spend time in close proximity with people they don't live with or have regular contact with. Of course, lots of complaining about people who refuse to wear masks, and yet no one there was wearing one. Also, they had a potluck, which I believe is all but forbidden under current guidelines. But it was ok because they had gloves and lots of hand sanitizer. One of the people who was there is a teacher who is afraid of having to go back to the classroom this fall. But yet was there and, seeing the photos she posts on Facebook, has been regularly socializing with friends and neighbors throughout the summer. Finally, one of the people there had COVID a few months ago. 2. A friend of mine went out to some bars with a group of relative strangers and shared some pictures and stories in our group chat. After barhopping he brought about 10 people back to his house for more drinking until the early morning. Now I have complained about this before but this guy works in government and just recently was part of creating a mask ordinance for the city he works for. He's very vocally pro all the stuff they say you're supposed to be doing to "be safe". He's constantly sharing articles in our group chat with comments like "typical Trumpkin, science denying right winger, etc." And yet here he is out partying with large groups of strangers, none of whom are wearing masks from the pictures, and bringing them into his house. So what was the point of me telling you all that? This whole situation has degraded into (and I think we all know this already) "I'm/my side is right and you're an idiot if you don't agree with me" and "everyone needs to follow the rules, unless they inconvenience me then I can do whatever I want".

You have to look like you're trying/care. That's what the vast majority of things are these days.

Why can't they play in Nashville? The Sounds ownership really wants baseball there this summer.

They have extra roster spots for a couple weeks. Those spots will go to meh guys since they will be dumped when rosters shrink back down.

Does anyone else think the NFLPA social media blitz about "really wanting to play" but not until the NFL eliminates the preseason so they have more practice and conditioning time is unbelievably, eye-rollingly ridiculous? I totally understand their concerns about making sure everyone is in game shape before they play but there's this whole virus thing that's going around that should probably be more of a concern. Linemen spend the whole game literally breathing, spitting, and sweating in each other's faces. One guy has it and doesn't know it and plays and you probably have most of two teams infected in a couple days. Virus aside, it's obvious this is to get rid of the preseason altogether in the future.

However, face coverings may increase risk if users reduce their use of strong defenses, such as physical distancing and frequent hand washing, when using cloth face coverings. It's funny that statements like that can actually appear on the Department of Health website, and yet the government and media seem to have hidden that message and really harped on this concept that masks will save us all. Hard to miss the obvious irony that just a couple months ago the government was saying that masks don't do any good. I know you like to harp your view on masks but what you said is very true. There are a lot of people that think that doing the bare minimum means they are totally protected and they can ignore everything else. I've wondered how many people that have been tested and came back negative felt like and went on to live their life like they have full immunity taking no precautions whatsoever.

So you are saying that if a covid positive person is making a sandwich at a sub shop with no mask, and coughs directly onto that sandwich, the person now eating that sandwich less than 5 minutes later can't get the virus? It's a serious question, not picking a fight... Sounds crazy but true from everything I've read. Saliva and digestive fluids destroy the virus supposedly.

If the NFL has refs taking payoffs, the league's problems are much bigger than whatever fallout they will have to deal with from the Synder mess.

To quote Joan Callamezzo: "Let's speculate wildly."

Those that don't want to be around people without masks are already avoiding places that don't require them. If your competitor is going to require people to wear masks and alienate a large group of their customers shouldn't you try to attract that group of people and say masks are optional? That would make sense to me from a business perspective at least. And from what I've read, the amount of virus transmission that's going on while shopping is minimal anyway.

I read an article about that a year or so ago. It's totally a generational thing. Millennials and younger don't use the words "you're welcome" but say other things that mean the same thing. Myself, I very rarely use you're welcome. When I worked retail and customers would say thank you to me I would almost always say no problem or something similar. I have no idea why. It wasn't a conscious decision, it's just what I said.

Why would that force their competitors to do so? I would think they would prefer to not require masks so they could get the anti-mask shoppers.

The Disney World example isn't an apt analogy, as you'd be voluntarily choosing to go there. Many companies, and likely a lot of school districts, are concerned about requiring employees to choose between their own safety and losing their job, especially if those employees have a condition that makes them high risk. There's a very valid possibility that an employer could be held liable if an employee is 'forced' into a high-risk situation as a condition of employment and becomes gravely ill or dies. And yeah, homer is right about the liability issue of the property owner being responsible for what happens there. I have been told directly by people who run festivals that insurance went through the roof for covid. They still insure events that are optional because you still have liability. Large events with potentially thousands of people might be different but this spring when I was part of the discussions of whether amateur baseball would happen or not we asked some insurance companies and lawyers and everyone told us there was no liability for COVID. It was an assumed risk of going out in public.

Partially on topic rant: In theory, using stats to compare guys who you think/feel should be in the HOF to guys already in the HOF should make sense but really it's pointless. The voters have decided that guys like Bonds and Clemens won't get in because they took the roids and Schilling because they don't like his politics so much lesser players like Baines and Raines get in because they were really good players and, more importantly, nice guys.