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Just a couple threads down: forum.brewerfan.net/viewtopic.php?t=3253.topic

Me too...but don't you think top draft picks are under and should be under more scrutiny than say a 20th rounder? Like I said before, it's not like there is a new thread out there every week or even every month where I am bashing him. It has come up a couple times this year and that is all. I don't think saying he is a disappointment so far and commenting on a couple starts a year is unfair or should be considered bashing him. I could understand if every time he pitched bad I came on here and spouted off, but I'm not nor am I even close to doing that. Like I said in my very first post...the season couldn't come soon enough for Mark. He needs to put this season behind him and come out next year with a chip on his shoulder. Would a guy that has a personal vendetta say something like that?

I'm being accused by one person of doing this: It seems funny that for the middle of the season your personal attack on Mark seemed to go away. Is that because he was pitching ok? And now I'm being accused of this by another: you really seemed to have made it your personal quest to point that out over and over again. I can't win either way. Throughout the season I have commented in the Link Report, on 3 or 4 of his starts including this one. And we all know he has had many more bad ones than that. I think it's ok for me to express my displeasure of him. Heck, people discuss and bash Magruder and Santos and whoever else they want in the major league forum all they want to, but I can't make a couple comments on minor leaguers? I'm not doing anything different. And it's not like I'm not being cruelly unfair or demeaning to Mark either. And I'm not singling him out either, I've made comments and even started two seperate threads on Salome's defense and nobody said anything.

It seems funny that for the middle of the season your personal attack on Mark seemed to go away. Is that because he was pitching ok? He was pitching ok? I guess it depends on how loose your term "ok" is? If it means putting up a 5-6 ERA during that time then yes, he pitched ok. I don't understand why you are questioning me. Do you want me to come on here every single time he pitches and say how bad he pitched? You can look through his performances but you're going to find exactly what I have...that he hasn't pitched good all year long. You bring up 50:1 isn't that any pick? No it isn't. 1st rounders have a much higher chance than 30th rounders. And we're not talking about every first rounder, we are talking about pitchers. And we're not just talking about any pitcher, we are talking about pitchers who throw 97+. If anything my 50:1 ratio is probably high. I am glad the Brewers have more common sense and are taking their time and not throwing a hard throwing 19 yr old on the scrap heap. First of all, I never said they should throw him on the scrap heap. I said he has been a major disappointment so far. Secondly, of course they are taking their time. What are they going to do, move him up to AA the way he is pitching? Why don't you name a hard thrower for me who came up young and had great control. Fireballers predominately take time to learn control because they haven't had to "pitch". Any kid who is throwing 90+ would be considered a hard thrower at the high school level. I had a good friend who pitched for UWM and was gunned at 89-90 when we were in HS and he never had to learn another pitch either. I mean, he threw a dinky curve and a devestating 85 MPH change (yeah, I know it isn't much different from his fastball, that's the point), but 90% of his pitches were fastballs. And he dominated. It's a little different than a kid in the warmer states where the competition is much tougher than in Wisconsin. But any pitcher throwing 94+ is going to blow it by pretty much everyone in HS no matter where you are. And there are plenty of prospects drafted every year throwing 94+. You can't tell me that none of them have control.

Those are two of the best pitchers in the game. There are hundreds of pitchers in the same situation who have flamed out. The ratio is probably close to 50:1. So many people have blind faith in potential. It's good to see players succeed in the low levels of the minors, but until they start doing something in AA then I'll start paying attention. And right now Mark isn't even doing that. Until then, the #5 pick overall in the 2004 draft, Mark Rogers, has been a HUGE disappointment so far.

This was Rogers second start since he missed with the blister problem. He started last Sat(8-13) against Lexington, but didn't factor in the decision. Here are his stats. Well those stats still produced: 1.50 WHIP 4.29 ERA It basically showed again that he can't control his pitches. 4 walks in not even 5 innings? 7 strikeouts over that period doesn't impress me because we are talking about a guy throwing 98 MPH in A ball. I would hope he would strike out that many. I would even argue that that game you listed was one of his better outtings of the year too. Not very good. For a #5 pick overall, I would expect MUCH more from him. Heck, I'd expect more from a 20th round pick than what we've gotten out of Mark so far. I would expect some struggles in AA, but Rookie League and Low A? Like I've said before, there hasn't been one box score out of Mark that any of us could have looked at and said "WOW". The more and more he pitches the more and more my predictions for him since he was drafted are coming true.

What I do not understand is this: we drafted a guy who cannot throw a strike. Don't you think if we WERE to draft high school pitchers, we would draft the ones that could throw a ball straight. He's like the right handed version of JDLR. Throws hard, has good secondary pitches, but can't command anything of it for his life and subsequently gets knocked around.

He allowed the runners to score?!?

It's not like he was facing Berkman or Ensberg....it was the Astros version of Magruder. Let the guy finish it off himself so HE can determine if he wins or loses this close one, not some AAA pitcher that was just brought up.

Wow, is the box score for Doug Davis ever going to be an injustice to his performance tonight. Ya gotta feel for the guy, it's got to be mentally wearing on him thinking he has to do it all and STILL can't get the team to win.

If the move didn't work it's the wrong move, if it works out it was the right move. Get that through your heads people.

Another in a long list of disappointing outtings for Mark Rogers. IP H R ER BB K 2.1 7 9 9 4 3 Everytime he starts I grimmace as the page loads, I brace myself for the inevitable, and yet I still cringe. The season couldn't end soon enough for poor Mark. He needs to put this season behind him and come back to WV next year with a chip on his shoulder.

I think this is one of our best lineups yet....if only JJ was in instead of Hall and he was batting 7th.

I can't believe someone actually said those things. Some of you need to grow up. What if your face looked like that? VD? Think about things before you say them. Seriously, how ignorant. Go Crew! Let's put up another W. I need Sharpie to net me a victory for my fantasy team tonight. I could go for a 6-1 win with 8 k's.

I take it there was another ezboard glitch between 11:15 and 11:45?

Is this an actual Manny Para sighting or was this an error?

Heart. Top of the second inning. Branyan hits a double off the right center wall. Their RF is sprinting all out getting to that ball and holds Branyan to a double instead of a triple with no one out in the 2nd. The point is, you don't know what effect that had on the rest of the game. But the chances of an extended inning or at least scoring a run would have been much higher if Branyan could have gotten to third. The positive outcome of scoring could have triggered more positive outcomes after. And the effect that has on the game cannot be measured by stats.

32, married, employed at small software company. I like comfortable pants. I can't stop laughing at this.

That is awesome that you took the time to put all of those in. Good work.

First of all, I never said most of the people here are fair weather fans. And your frustrations seeing a team play so well against good teams and then lay a turd against bad teams is a natural progression teams go through when they stink and start becoming a good team. Don't forget that we have gotten younger too. So there are natural growing pains. I mean, before this season we had goals for this team, and anyone who said that we should would go 88-74 is lying. With our remaining schedule going 82-80 is difinitely obtainable. And that would be better tha most would have given us. So look at where you put us before the season started and measure it from there and not from where our best case scenario could have been.

Not even close. I'm just sick of fair weather fans who sit and complain about the Brewers and say how much they stink right now and then jump right on the bandwagon as soon as they get better. Most of the same people who were going crazy over the Brewers mid-July are now bashing them. It's amazing. I guess it should be expected though. The point is, keep a level head about the whole thing and have realistic expectations of the plans Mark A. has set for this team. We are actually AHEAD of schedule. He wanted us to be playoff contenders by 2007. Well, we'll come up short, but we made it interesting for 75% of the season. That is more than any of us asked after last year. We will finish .500 this year and finishing close to .500 was the plan. You can't honestly be so disappointed in this team...look at what we have! No one would have expected Hall, Clark, or our rotation to be this good. No one expected Weeks to be up already because he forced our hand. No one expected Fielder or Hart to tear up AAA like they have. And Lee is having a pretty career average season minus a little BA. So there are A LOT of positives to look at with this season.

Bucksman, What is your definition of a fair weather fan?

It's the end of the world!!!! Get a grip. Some of you reek the definition of fair weather fans.

I gotta go to bed. I didn't think it was possible to get whiplash listening to balls flying all over on the radio, but I just got it.

It doesn't have to do with being mad at someone. It has to do with degrading people for the sake of making yourself look tougher. It has to do with people who have nothing more to say so they get frustrated and insult others leading to threads being locked or changing topics because of condescention. It's like someone poking you in the head whenever you watch your favorite show (a Brewers game of course). Yeah, you can ignore it for a while, but it starts becoming agitating the longer and longer it goes on. And you shouldn't have to go somewhere else to watch the game. Thanks for all your thoughts gentlemen. I'm glad there was an "open forum" to talk about some of these issues. It's good to see where others are coming from.