LOL, it's gonna be as long as he's in the pen. Also, I think speaking in absolutes doesn't do you any favors 22ks in 9.2 high leverage innings. If someone wants to argue that isn’t valuable that’s on them, not me. Who said it wasn’t valuable? You’re making two separate arguments. He could be valuable as a starter also. So “this is not an argument anymore” still doesn’t apply.