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I would say Medeiros. I see his absolute top end as a Hader-esque shut down reliever and think that most scouts and talent evaluaters do as well. As valuable as that role is becoming, you just don't see alot of reliever types in top 100 lists.

But not everybody else would have cheated in the first place, and people are totally justified in despising anyone who does. I'm glad some people still have a moral compass that's not made of Jell-o. Cheaters deserve all the scorn they get and then some. Hey, I get that you've never sped on the freeway, played hooky from work, cheated on an exam, your taxes or a significant other. Unlike you and like 99.999% of human beings on earth, I admit guilt on some of the above. Holier than thou. Thanks, I feel much less "slimy" for coming clean like Ryan Braun did.

This is all very true. The issue I have is that those advocating moving on from him are pumping guys who have every bit or more of an injury history and/or consistency issues. You don't move on from a player like Ryan Braun for a complete roll of the dice.

Probably because he's left handed. Whew! Somebody got out-hustled.

Oh right it was PEDs. The magical drug that makes you triple your homerun total. How many did Braun hit in 2011? It was like 100 or so right? I don't know, I'd have to double check. 2011 was the first year Braun ever used PED's, right?

Why the concern with the QO signing There is no reason we should be signing anyone major in free agency. At least we aren't the Phillies who despite having the worst run differential are sitting at #9. Simple. We have the salary space to fit in a QO type of player. We've been claimed to have the #1 Prospect system. While not perfect, having added Susac. There's reason enough to see offense being above avg. Depending on the return on Braun. A SP addition of Urias or DeLeon to mix with Nelson, Davies, Guerra + a 5th SP (the QO or Garza/Peralta/Hader) You have the makings of believing you can win 81+games. At least the makings to believe you won't pick top 10 next season so getting a QO player at a 2nd round cost now makes more sense than doing so the next offseason when it costs your 1st rd choice. So yes I have concern. 3 power bats I could envision worry on is Edwin Encarnacion, Jose Bautista, or Mark Trumbo. Don't really see a SP to be concerned about. But, trade Braun, replace with Puig/Trumbo or Bautista. Move Carter this offseason and you have space for Trumbo or Encarnacion. Aside from the fact that Sterns wouldn't consider this and also Bautista being one of the most unlikable human beings alive, even if we were competing and I could be assured that we were only one piece away, I want no part of a guy that goes from 13 home runs in a season and a career high of 16 to a 54 home run season by "swinging earlier."

And you're a Braun Hater when you ignore his current performance(better than Puig, Ever) due to age and contract. Braun is putting up numbers 5%? Less than the numbers he won MVP with. Yet, 19million a season is too much for that kind of production. Puig is posting numbers the last two seasons 15-20% worse than his 104game-432PA rookie stats. But because of him only turning 26 for all of next season, He's to immediately return to that kind of performance, and exceed it(since he has higher ceiling than Braun) So yeah, I am a hater he doesn't bring anything to the club for me. It's Kirk N-itis. He'll take away games from players who have a future to this organization and higher ceilings than Puig. What's your answer when Puig bats .700ish OPS in the OF the next 2 seasons? What value are you giving him after 2017 and by 2018 trade deadline? To be clear, I highly doubt you'll find a single talent evaluator in all of baseball that will tell you the Brewers have a single position prospect with a higher absolute ceiling than Puig. There are alot of "ifs," but "ifs" are what ceiling is all about anyway. Puig's absolute ceiling is enormous.

Bingo! I feel like Villar bring us back to the age old argument of brewerfan.net'ers valuing guys that came up through the system much higher vs. those that did not. While I would listen to any and all offers, had Villar come up through the Brewer ranks, I feel like those advocating the "sell high" approach would be asking for a top 10 guy or looking for an extension. Think about it this way, Arcia's absolute offensive ceiling is probably what Villar is doing this year. While Arcia is a better defender, he probably won't reach those offensive heights.

Didn't the Selig and Doug Melvin eras satisfy your need for the band aid, win 83 games approach? Yeesh. I don't think you understand how a rebuild works. Go back and look at how the cubs operated 3-6 years ago and look at where they sit in the standings now.

What exactly are we saying that Bradley is? You're acting as if he's a difference maker based on the last sentence of your post.

Having issued three walks in 5 innings, I'm not sure I would have picked tonight to make that assertion.

I wonder if leaning towards potential as opposed to results isn't a mistake. It's why I did not have Kirby or Meideiros on my list at all (just not seeing the results), and it's why I have Suter at the top. Suter's results over the last two years, particularly at Colorado Springs, just speak louder than the potential of some players. Ben Hendrickson was just one in a long line of guys that had "results" coming up. I think we need to keep in mind that the "results" we're referring to here come during what is essentially practice.

I'm all for no more Suppans and Garzas, but they weren't brought in to be back of the rotation starters. With this in mind, hopefully Attanasio's days as a GM are now over.

Wrong. Thanks for playing.

I actually think this is mostly true of pretty much every team, small market and large. Superstars just don't seem to maintain superstar status in the "post-PED era" after they hit free agency, at least not like they used to. I'm not sure if there is evidence to the contrary, but the eye test seems to be telling me that alot of guys are now falling off significantly once they hit 30. Get them up, get what you can out of them and move on.

Diaz and Erceg at it again. Back to back jacks in the first.

I'm extremely high on Woodruff. With he, Hader, Ortiz and Bickford that's almost as good a young SP core as the Mets. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk I'll have what you're having.

I understand where you are coming from but I completely disagree, actually it's about a quantity of quality prospects. I've beat on the Overbay trade so many times but I'll use it as an example again. At the time of the trade so many people including myself thought we cleaned up because the Brewers got 2 first round picks and 1 second round pick, but the players were actually nothing special: A back of the rotation pitcher, a never was pitcher, and a 4th outfielder. It was amazing how quickly my opinion of that trade turned completely around as I realized the MLB draft at that time wasn't about talent as much as it was signability. The scouting reports were so underwhelming I was wondering why the Brewers didn't target Marcum or McGowan who were much better prospects, and Marcum was similarly close to MLB as Bush. It was a classic Melvin "mlb piece" trade, and the more I read and learned, the more I despised those quantity deals, and they have become the antitheses of my organization building philosophy. You can have 20 Darren Fords in your organization but none of them will ever be Lorenzo Cain, 4 and 5 tool talents are pretty rare and those players simply are not physically gifted enough to reach those heights. Prospects do absolutely fail, as do many flash in the pan MLB players, so the trick is to mitigate the risk with multiple impact prospects, an organization like Milwaukee can't throw them away buying short term solutions because the Brewers don't possess the financial resources to plug the holes left behind with talented Free Agents. Instead of having 1 or 2 pitchers that could be top of the rotation types we need to have 5 or 6 because surely some fail and/or get injured, and we need to continually develop our own top of the rotation pitching. The problem with the Brewers is that there's only ever been 1 stud pitching prospect at a time so when they get hurt or flame out, there's nothing left. Melvin blamed Rogers and Jones' injuries for the reason the Brewers had a bad rotation, but it was actually the lack of projectable arms which was the issue. The Brewers have never been good enough developing pitching to be able to count on such limited numbers of true prospects. We need 5-6 legitimate top of the rotation starting pitchers scattered through the minors at any given time and we aren't there yet, even after today. If you have 10 Dave Bush type pitchers in your organization you can probably field a full rotation or close to it out of that 10 by the time they reach MLB, but that rotation isn't going to win you a championship nor is that group filthy enough to provide shut down relievers. If Hader and Bickford fail as starters we're almost assured of quality relievers, in relief Bush type pitchers are nothing more than cannon fodder middle relief. The Brewers have a ton of CF depth now which I think is awesome, I would love to have a similarly athletic outfield as the Pirates currently do. I get people want true corner outfields but I've been chasing pitching and more dynamic athletes for a long time and now we have a GM with a similar philosophy. I care less about HRs than I do about run prevention, get on a base and good things will happen. Because I vocally disagree with you a lot (and silently disagree with you more than that), I just want to say that I strongly agree with everything you said here, and IMHO you said it all very well. We don't have anybody in the system who projects as Trout or Kershaw, but we now have a bunch of guys who have a chance to be stars, frontline players on a championship team. Like you, I love the glut of athletic CFs, especially because most of them seem to combine athletic tools with solid-to-advanced OBP approaches. I think I missed where you disagreed with TheCrew.

Sometimes it just feels like there are some people here that have an innate need to be a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. Just sayin'.

Quick question for the board. Why are we worried about service time for a guy that has been borderline awful for the past two years? At this point, aren't we close to being able to confidently say those seasons are who Wily is? What makes anyone believe at this juncture he'll live up to his "potential?"

I don't disagree with this idea in some circumstances, but remember that the Brewers somewhat did this a decade ago and ended up with Jeff Suppan, Randy Wolf, Shaun Marcum, Kyle Lohse, and Matt Garza. They did trade for Sabathia but couldn't afford to keep him. The Cubs can afford Jon Lester and to overpay Lackey...maybe can even afford the historic contract that Arrieta will get. The Brewers barely can do any of this. I didn't say it would be easy but if the plan is to home grow an elite group of hitters and pitchers get ready for a long dry spell This. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I love reading things from many of the posters here but when I've seen these lengthy posts on "organization building" and winning championships from some of the long time posters here, they just assume that lightning is capable of striking on both the hitting and pitching fronts. When has that ever been the case in the big money era of baseball for a small market? Before you say Kansas City, please show me all the home grown pitching talent they had starting last year and the year before. In 2011, one long time poster here said he hated that season because of how that team was constructed to make a run at it in one year and one year only. For a small market team, objectively speaking, has there been another way in this era???

Given their performance, I do.

Kodi Medeiros is underrated by Brewers fans and I find that pretty surprising. You would think people would get excited about a guy giving up no homeruns and striking out over a batter an inning in his first real taste of pro ball. Not to mention he was 19 playing in A ball and is left handed. Heck he also was really solid in not giving up many hits. His walk rate is a bit high, but nothing I would be overly concerned about. There are a lot of players that struggle with control issues when they first get into pro ball. I would be a bit surprised if he doesn't push himself onto some Top 100 lists before 2017. If he ends up in A+ he should put up some really nice stats. Agreed! 19 years old, his ground ball rates were ridiculous, and strong strikeout numbers on top of that. Anecdotally, there is a pattern if you look at guys with elite stuff who go on to become frontline starters where they struggle with BB/9 rates comparable to Medeiros's at the same age and level. If they're good enough, they often develop their control pretty fast as shoot up the prospect rankings. If you're lucky, you end up with Clayton Kershaw. I'd happily settle for Chris Sale.

What has gotten into this Arcia fellow? 3 post season homers in 4 games? Good Lord.

I know we're not quite done just yet, but thank you to all of the LR guys who make the season so enjoyable for us all! Your time and efforts are greatly appreciated!